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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5242639" data-attributes="member: 71571">Except that would rule out close and area attacks because they too only make one attack roll per target, and you don't make the same attack roll for two different targets.If you have two interpretations of the rules, and one leads to utter nonsense, you go with the one that makes sense.&nbsp; Because the other is obviously incorrect.The marked condition cares about the Target: line, not the attack: line or the Hit: line.&nbsp; If the fighter is included in the Target: line (or the equivalent for monsters) then the mark does not trigger.&nbsp; It's that simple.In the case of Twin Strike, it has one target line.&nbsp; So therefore, if the marker is one of those target, the mark does not work.In the case of a 'make three claw attacks' powers, it's -three- target lines.&nbsp; You're not executing a power that says 'Target: one, two, or three creatures.'&nbsp; You're executing a power that says 'Use the Magic Missile power three times' or 'Use Eldritch Strike three times.'&nbsp; The claw attack is a seperate power, and you are using a separate power three times.This.Defenders are not ubertanks who are supposed to take all the attacks ever.&nbsp; They are to take a proportionately higher number of attacks, but not all of them.&nbsp; This isn't WoW where the defender is tanking five huge internet dragons and is expected to take more incoming damage than the apocolypse.&nbsp; This is D&amp;D, where your other guys are gonna take hits now and then.&nbsp; I think many people in this thread simply have too much of an expectation that tanks be able to 'tank it all.'</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5242639, member: 71571"] Except that would rule out close and area attacks because they too only make one attack roll per target, and you don't make the same attack roll for two different targets. If you have two interpretations of the rules, and one leads to utter nonsense, you go with the one that makes sense. Because the other is obviously incorrect. The marked condition cares about the Target: line, not the attack: line or the Hit: line. If the fighter is included in the Target: line (or the equivalent for monsters) then the mark does not trigger. It's that simple. In the case of Twin Strike, it has one target line. So therefore, if the marker is one of those target, the mark does not work. In the case of a 'make three claw attacks' powers, it's -three- target lines. You're not executing a power that says 'Target: one, two, or three creatures.' You're executing a power that says 'Use the Magic Missile power three times' or 'Use Eldritch Strike three times.' The claw attack is a seperate power, and you are using a separate power three times. This. Defenders are not ubertanks who are supposed to take all the attacks ever. They are to take a proportionately higher number of attacks, but not all of them. This isn't WoW where the defender is tanking five huge internet dragons and is expected to take more incoming damage than the apocolypse. This is D&D, where your other guys are gonna take hits now and then. I think many people in this thread simply have too much of an expectation that tanks be able to 'tank it all.' [/QUOTE]

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