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<blockquote data-quote="Eldorian" data-source="post: 4334500" data-attributes="member: 10504">Sigh.&nbsp; If I must.&nbsp; Point out to me where the kensei gives a proficiency or enhancement bonus.&nbsp; They're untyped.&nbsp; They apply to attacks made with weapons.&nbsp; A staff used in a wizard spell isn't a weapon.&nbsp; It functions as a melee weapon only when used in melee.Yes.They do.&nbsp; They are not weapons unless used as weapons.Also false.&nbsp; A longsword used by a Wizard of the Spiral Tower to cast spells is not a longsword.&nbsp; It is either a wand, staff, or orb, a choice made at level 11.&nbsp; A pact blade IS a weapon when used to cast spells.&nbsp; Hence the rule stating no proficiency bonus.&nbsp; A holy sword is a holy symbol when used to cast spells, so no proficiency bonus, and no need to state that you don't get it.False, since you seem to think staffs get a proficiency bonus to hit when used as an implement.&nbsp; They are not melee weapons when used as implements.&nbsp; They count as melee weapons when used as melee weapons.&nbsp; They are not melee weapons otherwise.I didn't leave mine there.&nbsp; Putting this at the end of your post means I won't reply again.&nbsp; Have a nice day =P</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Eldorian, post: 4334500, member: 10504"] Sigh. If I must. Point out to me where the kensei gives a proficiency or enhancement bonus. They're untyped. They apply to attacks made with weapons. A staff used in a wizard spell isn't a weapon. It functions as a melee weapon only when used in melee. Yes. They do. They are not weapons unless used as weapons. Also false. A longsword used by a Wizard of the Spiral Tower to cast spells is not a longsword. It is either a wand, staff, or orb, a choice made at level 11. A pact blade IS a weapon when used to cast spells. Hence the rule stating no proficiency bonus. A holy sword is a holy symbol when used to cast spells, so no proficiency bonus, and no need to state that you don't get it. False, since you seem to think staffs get a proficiency bonus to hit when used as an implement. They are not melee weapons when used as implements. They count as melee weapons when used as melee weapons. They are not melee weapons otherwise. I didn't leave mine there. Putting this at the end of your post means I won't reply again. Have a nice day =P [/QUOTE]

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