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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4302961" data-attributes="member: 19675">To address some stuff I had to pass over before: By base concept?  Most of them, though to make some of them truly sing required a few key non-Core Feats and spells.  Part of that is the gamers I play with- a standard 3.X campaign setup in my 2 main groups is Core + Completes only (PHB races only, non-core Classes, PrCls, Feats & Spells by DM approval), no 3rd party sources.But for the most part, I don't use any of the base classes from the supplements.The Githzerai, as published in XPH, had a LA of +2 and no HD.  So yes, I did start him as a 1st level Monk in a 3rd level party.Of the ones I listed, one used the XPH and another one used a non-Core PrCl.  The rest could be made pure core.  To you, perhaps (and FWIW it was druid, specialist wizard and ranger). For at least a portion of long-time players, it may be a fatal flaw. Divine does mean something.  In 4Ed, it means a real (single-classed) cleric can do a wide variety of things with his divine connection, and the (multiclassed) cleric comes up truncated in his. Not at all.  A single classed PC has access to the class' every possible skill, feat or power option from which to choose.  And they have full access to the Paragon path.  Multiclassed PCs don't.Its less pronounced (almost nonexistent, really) in the Fighter, but in the 4Ed spellcasting classes?  The IotF feat gives you one pre-selected specific ability, not the choice of the several the Cleric has.  You don't get the at will abilities at all. 1) The Cleric/Ranger doesn't get TWF- the Rgr multiclass feat only grants a skill and the 4Ed equivalent to favored enemy.2) The 4Ed Cleric isn't a reasonable substitute for Druid- nothing about the class bespeaks a connection to nature.  (This is, FWIW, one of the things I think 2Ed did better than 3.X- you could, using the "Priests of specific mythoi" rules in that edition, make a nature cleric who looked as good in his own way as a druid.) 1) That build would not grant the PC the Fighter's proficiency with weapons (essential, since that's what he started out as), which was coupled to devastating effect with his backstabbing ability.</blockquote>

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