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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7442967" data-attributes="member: 20564">I worry about how long it takes to all come together.&nbsp; At 5th level you have no ASI and are still levels away from getting the level 5 power bump.&nbsp; You're really hurting compared to others characters and aren't able to contribute at their level.At 5th other front liners are attacking twice with +4 to hit and damage, you're attacking once with +3 to hit and damage.&nbsp; With only a single attack, and expertise partially offset by the lower-than-expected-at-this-level STR, you aren't what I'd describe as a &quot;knockdown/grapple/control machine&quot;At 7th you finally get your first ASI, and you still don't have your level 5 power bump.&nbsp; That comes at level 8, when everyone else is getting their second ASI.You don't get your Bardic Inspiration refreshing on short rests until 11th level.Later on it comes together nicely - as paladin + full CHR caster does.&nbsp; But in an actual campaign starting from 1st I personally wouldn't start multiclassing until I had a solid foundation in one class or the other - at least 5th.&nbsp; With paladin auras that might be 6th or 7th, which would make me want to grab the ASI at 8th.&nbsp; With bard (lore) I might want magical secrets at 6th.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7442967, member: 20564"] I worry about how long it takes to all come together. At 5th level you have no ASI and are still levels away from getting the level 5 power bump. You're really hurting compared to others characters and aren't able to contribute at their level. At 5th other front liners are attacking twice with +4 to hit and damage, you're attacking once with +3 to hit and damage. With only a single attack, and expertise partially offset by the lower-than-expected-at-this-level STR, you aren't what I'd describe as a "knockdown/grapple/control machine" At 7th you finally get your first ASI, and you still don't have your level 5 power bump. That comes at level 8, when everyone else is getting their second ASI. You don't get your Bardic Inspiration refreshing on short rests until 11th level. Later on it comes together nicely - as paladin + full CHR caster does. But in an actual campaign starting from 1st I personally wouldn't start multiclassing until I had a solid foundation in one class or the other - at least 5th. With paladin auras that might be 6th or 7th, which would make me want to grab the ASI at 8th. With bard (lore) I might want magical secrets at 6th. [/QUOTE]

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