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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7012303" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Oh wow, you mean there's one more exception to the non caster - caster exception list.&nbsp; OMG, one would have thought I said there was no multiclass combinations that work.... All I have to say is that if almost all your &quot;working&quot; multiclass examples rely on maybe 3-4 cantrips then something is wrong.&nbsp; I shouldn't have to rely on a list of 3-4 cantrips to create a working multiclass character.Kind of proves my point.&nbsp; Multiclassing in general just doesn't work.&nbsp; There's only a very small subset of abilities that really work for a multiclass pre level 5.&nbsp; 3-4 cantrips, rage, rogue and maybe 1-2 more.Let me define &quot;multiclass that works&quot;:It means you are on par with a single class character at level 5, 6, 7 and not just when you start the multiclass.&nbsp; Excluding your 3-4 select cantrips or barbarian rage or a two weapon fighting rogue then basically no other multiclass combo stays close to a pure class at the mentioned levels, at least until you get to level 5 for one of your multiclassed classes.No matter what you say this just isn't true outside the few exceptions and maybe 1-2 other abilities than I've mentioned above.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7012303, member: 6795602"] Oh wow, you mean there's one more exception to the non caster - caster exception list. OMG, one would have thought I said there was no multiclass combinations that work.... All I have to say is that if almost all your "working" multiclass examples rely on maybe 3-4 cantrips then something is wrong. I shouldn't have to rely on a list of 3-4 cantrips to create a working multiclass character. Kind of proves my point. Multiclassing in general just doesn't work. There's only a very small subset of abilities that really work for a multiclass pre level 5. 3-4 cantrips, rage, rogue and maybe 1-2 more. Let me define "multiclass that works": It means you are on par with a single class character at level 5, 6, 7 and not just when you start the multiclass. Excluding your 3-4 select cantrips or barbarian rage or a two weapon fighting rogue then basically no other multiclass combo stays close to a pure class at the mentioned levels, at least until you get to level 5 for one of your multiclassed classes. No matter what you say this just isn't true outside the few exceptions and maybe 1-2 other abilities than I've mentioned above. [/QUOTE]

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