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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7013049" data-attributes="member: 6795602">1.&nbsp; IMO not comparable.&nbsp; Pure bard far outperforms.&nbsp; Level 3 spells like hypnotic pattern are hard to overcome.&nbsp; Not to mention short rest recharge bard inspiration instead of long rest.&nbsp; You are giving those things up for heavy armor? 2.&nbsp; IMO not comparable.&nbsp; You miss out on extra attack and don't get significantly more spells slots compared the Paladin 5.&nbsp; Also you miss out on the feat/stat bump and paladin oath benefit which isn't a trivial ability to leave out of the comparison.3.&nbsp; Compared to a level 5 cleric you miss out on tide turning spells like spirit guardians and or fireball (the light cleric).&nbsp; Thus you are in a much worse position than a level 5 cleric at level 5.&nbsp; IMO not comparable.4.&nbsp; I know very little about the abilities you cite so I'll leave this one alone.&nbsp; I'm not knowledgable enough to comment on it.5.&nbsp; Same issues as 2.6.&nbsp; As you mentioned, monk 5 is basically superior, ability to stun, extra attack and an extra ki.&nbsp; You want to give those abilities up for +2 damage in the best case on all your attacks?&nbsp; IMO not comparable.7.&nbsp; This one is legitimate.&nbsp; Congragulations on finding one character build out of 7 that isn't much inferior to a single class at level 5.&nbsp; Even then it's only comparable because while I think druids get some of the worst level 3 spells of casters, they still get some pretty nice level 3 spells.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7013049, member: 6795602"] 1. IMO not comparable. Pure bard far outperforms. Level 3 spells like hypnotic pattern are hard to overcome. Not to mention short rest recharge bard inspiration instead of long rest. You are giving those things up for heavy armor? 2. IMO not comparable. You miss out on extra attack and don't get significantly more spells slots compared the Paladin 5. Also you miss out on the feat/stat bump and paladin oath benefit which isn't a trivial ability to leave out of the comparison. 3. Compared to a level 5 cleric you miss out on tide turning spells like spirit guardians and or fireball (the light cleric). Thus you are in a much worse position than a level 5 cleric at level 5. IMO not comparable. 4. I know very little about the abilities you cite so I'll leave this one alone. I'm not knowledgable enough to comment on it. 5. Same issues as 2. 6. As you mentioned, monk 5 is basically superior, ability to stun, extra attack and an extra ki. You want to give those abilities up for +2 damage in the best case on all your attacks? IMO not comparable. 7. This one is legitimate. Congragulations on finding one character build out of 7 that isn't much inferior to a single class at level 5. Even then it's only comparable because while I think druids get some of the worst level 3 spells of casters, they still get some pretty nice level 3 spells. [/QUOTE]

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