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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7013272" data-attributes="member: 6795602">For the Fighter bard you are speaking of.  Starting fighter does make it much easier in the early levels, that's for sure.  But by level 5 we are looking at a different comparison.The right bard subclass gets medium armor and shields and martial weapon proficiencies.So the differences are pure bard gets:Short rest bardic inspiration3rd level spellsProficiency wisdom saves (I only mention this because many fighters later on take a feat for proficiency with wisdom saves)The fighter bard gets:Proficiency con saves (+3 to con saves at level 5)second wind+1 ac with a longsword / shieldproficiency heavy armor-----I think I value third level spells and bardic inspiration much higher than you. lol</blockquote>