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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7013322" data-attributes="member: 6795602">It depends on what you mean.I could answer that question with 3-4 different answers.Do you want me to answer in regards to what character concepts can't be reached and effective by some specific level using the current multiclass rules?Do you want me to answer in regards to what character concepts are mechanically ineffective at level 5?Do you want me to answer based on what I can fluff around an existing class to get the concept I want?What makes you think anything I say is so absolute there are no exceptions ever?  It's easy to beat down a viewpoint when you constantly characterize it in the most extreme way possible.  Multiclassing can give a sufficient final product at higher levels.  I've been adamant that it's not as bad post level 5.  It does have mechanical issues at level 5.  Thus, the popularity of eldritch blast multiclass combinations.  Eldritch blast bypasses the normal mechanical issues of 5e multiclassing and thus you see a large number of eldritch blast multiclasses.  It's one of the most common examples.However, a class/subclass designated explicitly to your concept should never have mechanical issues and will have an organic feel when it comes to leveling as your character concept of choice.  The class/subclass may not exist yet but that doesn't mean that one couldn't be created that fit your concept nearly perfectly.  There's always going to be some level of approximation seeing as we are dealing with a discrete leveling system that works on tradeoffs (take one thing instead of something else).Now with the right class/subclass you should be easily able to hit post level 5 and have your concept in tact the whole time from level 1 on.  Then multiclassing because useful to give some variability without having to create many slightly different iterations of similar classes/subclasses.How can anyone argue when you put it in that light, but that's not quite the case.It's all relative to the other members of your party.  If everyone decides to multiclass 2 levels pre level 5 then it's not nearly as big of an issue.  The DM can scale encounters accordingly and all is well since the party is on roughly an even playing field.  However, if the rest of the party takes the big jump at level 5 and gets their level 5 abilities (extra attack, fireball, spirit guardians, stunning strike, etc...) then you will be significantly behind until you get one of those abilities as well.  You can try to paint the picture that you are gaining more "options" and versatility but what you may gain in versatility in 5e is not going to come close to bridging that power gap.  There's not enough horizontal versatility to be had pre level 5 to accomplish that goal.As I stated above if the idea is a well rounded character or to fulfill a character concept then classes and subclasses will accomplish that goal better pre level 5.  It's just the class with the features in it you want needs to first be designed.</blockquote>

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