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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovarwa" data-source="post: 7018938" data-attributes="member: 75153">So,It makes sense to me that most multiclass combinations should have problems, sort of like randomly throwing ingredients into a pot.  Lima beans and jello?  Chorizo, spearmint gum and cauliflower? Salt and sugar and nothing else?  Most combinations of anything don't work.It also makes sense to me that there are a few levels at which being a single class really shines.  We're talking about level 5 here, in which every exception the OP recognizes (without argument) to his premise that "multi-class sucks" involves the multiclass getting a second attack through some other means:  Combos that leverage Eldritch Blast or SCAG melee cantrips or Moon2 bear.  But an analysis at level 17 would have a similar problem: What really compares to a 9th level spell (available to half the classes in the game)?  At level 20, those moon druid multiclasses no longer look so good!  Naked level 20 barbarian with AC24?  Etc.But Fighter1/LoreX is a perfectly reasonable multiclass:  It doesn't shine at level 5 compared to a normal Lore Bard, but players who take this route do so to increase their chances of surviving to reach Bard 5 at all.  Taking Bard5 first ruins the big benefits:  Con proficiency for sustaining spells, Heavy Armor (and maybe HAM) for better defense, probably another +1AC from a defensive style, 2 more hp...Cleric1/WizardX seems reasonable too:  Sure, at level 5 you have nothing that compares to a straight Wizard's level 3 spells.  But maybe that's a worthwhile price for not being a squishy, for knowing all Cleric level 1 spells and for having more spells and more cantrips available to cast, and some other Cleric1 benefits.Fighter1/WizardX?  Again, less happy at level 5 but the Fighter level must come before Wiz5, and provides real benefits.Various weird things, often involving Rogues (eg:  get the drop using Assassin, quicken and twin a melee cantrip using Sorcerer, and then action surge to do that again in your first round.... or grab all the skills&cantrips using lots of dips...)Finally, I think it is completely normal for multiclasses to be better at some levels and worse at others.  Even single-classed characters have peaks and troughs that are not always in sync with each other, sometimes to the point of woe:  Moon Druids are the poster boys of this kind of feast or famine, but other classes are not utterly immune.All this said, I think it is reasonable to advise would-be optimizers to think carefully before delaying access to a class' signature or important ability:  Is it really advisable to delay a second attack or 3rd level spell?  Or to divert from a beeline to Paladin6 and one of the very best abilities in the game? (Getting a few points of dpr for one character feels good, but adding +3 or +4 to everyone's saving throws breaks Bounded Accuracy in your favor!)  Sometimes the answer is yes, but that's not the way to bet.  Because, you know, chocolate ice cream and high grade motor oil.Anyway,Ken</blockquote>

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