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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7019320" data-attributes="member: 6795602">So your first 2 paragrpahs were spot on.The 1 Dip multiclass combos with spell casters are perhaps the least offensive.  That's not me saying they are reasonable though.I'll give you a full right up of levels 1-5 for the first one you mentioned as an exampleFighter 12nd Wind at 1d10+1 per short rest+1 ac fighting style17 accrossbow12 hp (assuming 14 con)con proficiencyBard 12x sleep13 ac10 hpbardic inspirationvicious mockery / crossbowI'm not into claiming 1 first level class is better than another (except maybe barbarian....)So level 1 is a tie------------------------------------Fighter 1 Bard 12nd Wind at 1d10+1 per short rest+1 ac fighting style17 accrossbow+2 hpcon proficiencyBard 213 acSong of Restjack of all trades+1 level 1 spell slot+1 spell knownI'd give the fighter 1 bard 1 a slight advantage here.-----------------------------------Fighter 1 Bard 22nd Wind at 1d10+1 per short rest+1 ac fighting style17 accrossbow+2 hpcon proficiencyBard 3+2 level 2 spell slots+1 level 1 spell slot+1 spell knownexpertise+3 skill proficienciescutting wordsI'd give the bard 3 moderate advantage here.--------------------------------------Fight 1 Bard 32nd Wind at 1d10+1 per short rest+1 ac fighting style17 accrossbow+2 hpcon proficiencyBard 4stat/featI'd give a moderate advantage to the fighter 1 bard 4.  (Though there may be 1 or 2 feats that may could equalize that difference)------------------------------------------------------------Fighter 1 Bard 42nd Wind at 1d10+1 per short rest+1 ac fighting style17 accrossbow+2 hpcon proficiencyBard 5Level 3 spellsShort rest bardic inspirationBard 5 wins big time here.---------------------------------------So through those 5 levels I'd say the solo class bard is better.  It's a somewhat subjective comparison and so you may come away with different results than me but I did try to be fair about it.I don't think level 6 does anything to change the comparison because bard 6 gets a strong benefit.  Level 7 is in the same boat with level 4 spells.I'm seeing the solo class as significantly better through those levels.  At some point probably at level 12 the multiclass variaint will pull ahead for a while IMO.</blockquote>

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