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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7019664" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Force them to be a Bard or Fighter?&nbsp; You say that because I brought up a ranged vs melee consideration when someone else tried to force the fighter 1 / Bard X to melee with a shield and longsword?&nbsp; Seriously?&nbsp; You are saying all this because of a crossbow vs longsword and shield discussion for those characters.....&nbsp; I mean I didn't think weapon choice and benefits analysis could force anything on any class.&nbsp; So if you are that deadest on having the Fighter / Bard use a sword and shield for higher AC then do so and the pure bard will continue using a crossbow with a statement beside it that he is ranged and the other person is melee and this helps offset his lower AC and lower HP.&nbsp; I picked what I thought was the most fair for comparison.&nbsp; You are welcome to compare the 2 with whatever you think is the most fair comparison.A fighter 1 bard 4 is not a melee full caster.&nbsp; He's a full caster in plate with a shield.&nbsp; He's probably better off using vicious mockery than attacking with a longsword.&nbsp; 2d4 damage vs 1d8+3.&nbsp; And vicious mockery has a nasty effect.&nbsp; Vicious mockery keeps him ranged.&nbsp; He doesn't melee attack hardly ever anymore since there's very little benefit to.&nbsp; 50% more damage on what is the lowest damage guy in the party either way you slice it...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7019664, member: 6795602"] Force them to be a Bard or Fighter? You say that because I brought up a ranged vs melee consideration when someone else tried to force the fighter 1 / Bard X to melee with a shield and longsword? Seriously? You are saying all this because of a crossbow vs longsword and shield discussion for those characters..... I mean I didn't think weapon choice and benefits analysis could force anything on any class. So if you are that deadest on having the Fighter / Bard use a sword and shield for higher AC then do so and the pure bard will continue using a crossbow with a statement beside it that he is ranged and the other person is melee and this helps offset his lower AC and lower HP. I picked what I thought was the most fair for comparison. You are welcome to compare the 2 with whatever you think is the most fair comparison. A fighter 1 bard 4 is not a melee full caster. He's a full caster in plate with a shield. He's probably better off using vicious mockery than attacking with a longsword. 2d4 damage vs 1d8+3. And vicious mockery has a nasty effect. Vicious mockery keeps him ranged. He doesn't melee attack hardly ever anymore since there's very little benefit to. 50% more damage on what is the lowest damage guy in the party either way you slice it... [/QUOTE]

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