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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9609882" data-attributes="member: 7030563">It is more than fine, it is OP because with a 16 Dex you can also dump Charisma and run 16 Constitution and 16 Intelligence on point buy.   On the other hand, if you need a 13 Charisma and 13 Strength you can only run a 16 in one of these and need to put an 8 in the other on point buy or split it and put 10 in one and 14 in another or 13 and 12.  Any way you slice it you are substantially less powerful at most levels.You don't want the UA playtest one because that takes 3 levels, which kills 2d6 in sneak attack.  In the 2024 rules you want 1 level in Paladin for Divine Smite, and then all your other levels in Rogue for sneak attack.The highest damage I ever seen in play on a single hit with a PC prior to the 2024 rules came from that Paladin-Rogue.That isn't the craziest combo though.  I think a human UA Paladin 3/UA Bladesinger with 16 Dex, 16 Charisma, 16 Intelligence that dumps everything else is.  You have Bladesinger-like AC full time and Bladesinger+3 AC when in Bladesong, and then shield, shield of faith and mirror image while rocking cantrip extra attacks plus divine smite and upcast false life to make up for your hit point shortfall.  It won't put out as much damage as the Rogue (or Valor Bard) combo, but it will be near impossible to hit.  This is something I actually want to try, but there is a huge difference in capability if you need to comply with the 13 strength minimum, enough that it goes from being OP to actually being underpowered.It is substantially more powerful at most levels as a melee character because of Divine Smite and Sneak Attack.At 12th level (1 Paladin/11 Rogue) with Green Flame Blade you are looking at 7d8+6d6+dex using a 3rd level smite slot or 3d8+6d6+dex at will.  Then add another 2d8+Intelligence to a second creature within 5 feet.A 11/1 Valor Bard/Paladin with a Greatsword/Maul and Truestrike is doing nearly the same Nova: 6d6+7d8+2xCharisma but needs to use a 6th level divine smite to do that, and he only gets one of those, compared to two 3rd level slots for the same damage for the Paladin-Rogue.  Also this drops or 6d6+2xcharisma at will and he needs to run at least a 2nd level smite to match the Rogue's at will damage.At lower levels the Bard mix is further behind.</blockquote>

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