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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6365762" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>This is why I wonder why the multiclassing spell chart exists. More than 1 or 2 levels of multiclassing is difficult to keep up with in various tiers.</p><p></p><p>Seriously, who cares if a Wizard dips into Cleric for a level and gets 2 Cure Wounds spells? He's pushing his gain of next level spells back a level multiple times in order to heal 10 or so points of damage per day.</p><p></p><p>Why should someone who is Cleric 10 / Wizard 10 be a threat with 30 spells from levels 1 to 5 as oppose to the 22 spells for the level 20 Cleric or Wizard? The extra spells are almost all level 1 to 4 and the PC loses a ton of awesomeness from the missing 6 6th through 9th level spells.</p><p></p><p>Spell level, straight caster, even split multiclass caster at 20th level</p><p></p><p>1: 4 8</p><p>2: 3 6</p><p>3: 3 6</p><p>4: 3 6</p><p>5: 3 4</p><p>6: 2</p><p>7: 2</p><p>8: 1</p><p>9: 1</p><p></p><p>Yup, with a non-restricted model, the multiclass PC can spam a boatload of lower level spells. He should be able to do that. He paid for those spells with multiclassing. He gets a lot of spells, the straight spell casters gets the cooler higher level abilities and the really powerful high level spells.</p><p></p><p>I totally do not get this one.</p><p></p><p>Ooohhh. At level 20, I can fire off 16 Fireball spells a day. Course, I'm facing creatures that have 300 hit points and make most of their saves and can suck up most or all 142 D8 of those 16 spells (which take forever to cast).</p><p></p><p>Even at low level (multiclass followed by straight):</p><p></p><p>Level 2: 4 first vs. 3 first</p><p></p><p>Level 3: 5 first vs. 4 first and 2 second</p><p></p><p>Level 4: 6 first vs. 4 first and 3 second</p><p></p><p>Level 5: 7 first and 2 second vs. 4 first and 3 second and 2 third</p><p></p><p>Level 6: 8 first and 4 second vs. 4 first and 3 second and 3 third</p><p></p><p></p><p>At level 2, the multiclass PC gets an extra spell. But, he is giving up the second level special ability of one of his classes to do so. At level 8, he gains a lot of spells, but it's 4 first and 1 second vs. 3 third. Not really a contest.</p><p></p><p>Not seeing the issue. The multiclassing PC gets a few extra low level spells once in a while, the straight caster gets an extra highest level spells each level (except levels 12, 14, and 16 which also seems weird).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6365762, member: 2011"] This is why I wonder why the multiclassing spell chart exists. More than 1 or 2 levels of multiclassing is difficult to keep up with in various tiers. Seriously, who cares if a Wizard dips into Cleric for a level and gets 2 Cure Wounds spells? He's pushing his gain of next level spells back a level multiple times in order to heal 10 or so points of damage per day. Why should someone who is Cleric 10 / Wizard 10 be a threat with 30 spells from levels 1 to 5 as oppose to the 22 spells for the level 20 Cleric or Wizard? The extra spells are almost all level 1 to 4 and the PC loses a ton of awesomeness from the missing 6 6th through 9th level spells. Spell level, straight caster, even split multiclass caster at 20th level 1: 4 8 2: 3 6 3: 3 6 4: 3 6 5: 3 4 6: 2 7: 2 8: 1 9: 1 Yup, with a non-restricted model, the multiclass PC can spam a boatload of lower level spells. He should be able to do that. He paid for those spells with multiclassing. He gets a lot of spells, the straight spell casters gets the cooler higher level abilities and the really powerful high level spells. I totally do not get this one. Ooohhh. At level 20, I can fire off 16 Fireball spells a day. Course, I'm facing creatures that have 300 hit points and make most of their saves and can suck up most or all 142 D8 of those 16 spells (which take forever to cast). Even at low level (multiclass followed by straight): Level 2: 4 first vs. 3 first Level 3: 5 first vs. 4 first and 2 second Level 4: 6 first vs. 4 first and 3 second Level 5: 7 first and 2 second vs. 4 first and 3 second and 2 third Level 6: 8 first and 4 second vs. 4 first and 3 second and 3 third At level 2, the multiclass PC gets an extra spell. But, he is giving up the second level special ability of one of his classes to do so. At level 8, he gains a lot of spells, but it's 4 first and 1 second vs. 3 third. Not really a contest. Not seeing the issue. The multiclassing PC gets a few extra low level spells once in a while, the straight caster gets an extra highest level spells each level (except levels 12, 14, and 16 which also seems weird). [/QUOTE]
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