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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 6272058" data-attributes="member: 11821">No, that's not really what I'm saying at all.&nbsp; Sorry for not being clearer about my assumptions, here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm not saying he should use the rogue mechanics and call it a cleric or whatever.&nbsp; I'm saying you should work with whatever mechanical options are legally available to a character in the system - and cooperating with the DM to bend the rules if necessary - and allow a complete rebuild from level 1 to make the new mechanical concept work.If that involves some attribute switches plus 3e-style multiclassing, fine*. If it involves retroactively changing to a (in 4e parlance) a Hybrid character, so be it.&nbsp; Feat or skill swaps?&nbsp; No problem.&nbsp; If you want to rebuild from scratch as a Level 12 (or whatever your level is) Cleric and keep knowledge in Streetwise or whatever, in deference to your background, great!I'm not personally suggesting a reskin of the Rogue because that wouldn't mechanically work like a Cleric in any way.&nbsp; And just swapping mechanics around without foundation in the game's rules is kind of lame.I am just suggesting that the Rogue should be able to swap his attributes around and buy up to a decent Wisdom so he's less great at Rogue-ing and much better at Cleric-ing, however.&nbsp; If the player wants to do that.&nbsp; If it's somehow core to their concept that they be a crappy cleric, fine - go to town - but it shouldn't be necessary to make a mechanically poor character in order to &quot;roleplay&quot; it.* I share reservations with&nbsp; [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] about buffet-style multiclassing, and don't like how it dilutes what should be archetypes down to a tepid and mushy point-buy system, but if the option is there, it'll work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 6272058, member: 11821"] No, that's not really what I'm saying at all. Sorry for not being clearer about my assumptions, here. :) I'm not saying he should use the rogue mechanics and call it a cleric or whatever. I'm saying you should work with [I]whatever mechanical options are legally available to a character in the system - and cooperating with the DM to bend the rules if necessary -[/I] and allow a complete rebuild from level 1 to make the new mechanical concept work. If that involves some attribute switches plus 3e-style multiclassing, fine*. If it involves retroactively changing to a (in 4e parlance) a Hybrid character, so be it. Feat or skill swaps? No problem. If you want to rebuild from scratch as a Level 12 (or whatever your level is) Cleric and keep knowledge in Streetwise or whatever, in deference to your background, great! I'm not personally suggesting a reskin of the Rogue because that wouldn't mechanically work like a Cleric in any way. And just swapping mechanics around without foundation in the game's rules is kind of lame. I [I]am[/I] just suggesting that the Rogue should be able to swap his attributes around and buy up to a decent Wisdom so he's less great at Rogue-ing and much better at Cleric-ing, however. [I]If the player wants to do that.[/I] If it's somehow core to their concept that they be a crappy cleric, fine - go to town - but it shouldn't be necessary to make a mechanically poor character in order to "roleplay" it. [SIZE=1]* I share reservations with [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] about buffet-style multiclassing, and don't like how it dilutes what should be archetypes down to a tepid and mushy point-buy system, but if the option is there, it'll work.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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