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<blockquote data-quote="DrJawaPhD" data-source="post: 9462964" data-attributes="member: 7044770">Depends heavily on the situation.&nbsp; Starting with a Fighter dip is preferred if you want to bump Concentration saves but also want heavy armor proficiency (and a free fighting style for +1 AC), and these benefits outweigh the painful delay in spell progression by an entire level.Starting with a Sorcerer dip is preferred if you want to bump Concentration saves but also want access to Shield spell plus Silvery Barbs.&nbsp; This only delays progression of when you first get to choose spells, so it especially works well when you would be upcasting your build-defining spell since spell slot progression is not delayed.If I didn't care about Shield/Silvery Barbs or Heavy Armor, and also had no desire to later dip a second level for Metamagic or Action Surge, then yeah I'd probably agree with you and go the Resilient Con route.&nbsp; The big problem with this though is you delay getting War Caster.&nbsp; If I'm building around a concentration spell, I'd make sure to have both Con proficiency and War Caster unless I had Eldritch Mind or Mind Sharpener.Anyways I'm pretty sure my original point here was just that having subclasses move to Level 3 had little/no impact on multiclassing.&nbsp; That's still true in everything we've discussed above</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DrJawaPhD, post: 9462964, member: 7044770"] Depends heavily on the situation. Starting with a Fighter dip is preferred if you want to bump Concentration saves but also want heavy armor proficiency (and a free fighting style for +1 AC), and these benefits outweigh the painful delay in spell progression by an entire level. Starting with a Sorcerer dip is preferred if you want to bump Concentration saves but also want access to Shield spell plus Silvery Barbs. This only delays progression of when you first get to choose spells, so it especially works well when you would be upcasting your build-defining spell since spell slot progression is not delayed. If I didn't care about Shield/Silvery Barbs or Heavy Armor, and also had no desire to later dip a second level for Metamagic or Action Surge, then yeah I'd probably agree with you and go the Resilient Con route. The big problem with this though is you delay getting War Caster. If I'm building around a concentration spell, I'd make sure to have both Con proficiency and War Caster unless I had Eldritch Mind or Mind Sharpener. Anyways I'm pretty sure my original point here was just that having subclasses move to Level 3 had little/no impact on multiclassing. That's still true in everything we've discussed above [/QUOTE]

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