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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 9637599" data-attributes="member: 72555"><p>The 2024 rules on learning new spells:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Q1: Does Multiclassing <strong>rewrite this</strong> to remove "as shown on the Wizard Features table[/b] and replace it with <strong>as calculated by the multiclassing rules</strong>? Ie, is the "as shown" a clarification, or a restriction?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Q2: This doesn't mention "as shown on the Wizard Features table".</p><p></p><p>Ignoring multiclassing, suppose there was a feat or race that gave you a 3rd level spell slot at level 1. A single-classed wizard would be able to prepare 3rd level spells that are in their spellbook; they wouldn't be able to scribe such spells when they gained levels, however.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you had a 3rd level slot as a single-classed wizard, you could copy a 3rd level spell into your book (if you found it), then prepare it.</p><p></p><p>....</p><p></p><p>So, then the question is, when you prepare spell as a wizard, do you ignore the fact you have higher level spell slots from multiclassing and pretend your only spell slots are from being a wizard, and from that (fictious state) determine your max spell slot?</p><p></p><p>One could argue they should say "you can prepare spells up to 1/2 of your wizard level, rounded up" instead of mentioning spell slots; that would solve this problem. They don't, however.</p><p></p><p>This wording is similar to Sorcerer in 2024:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And for changing:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which also relies on "have spell slots".</p><p></p><p>"Up to half your level, round up, and no more than 9th" would solve this, or an entry in the table.</p><p></p><p>Only the wizard mentions "look at the wizard table" for the source of slots.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>Ok, balance impact:</p><p></p><p>A Paladin 2/Sorcerer 10 can prepare 5th level Paladin spells, sooner than a pure Paladin can. I don't really like that.</p><p></p><p>A sorcerer 10/wizard 10 has access to 9th level spells for both sides.</p><p></p><p>Are the higher level class features of "pure casters" worth not multiclassing under these rules? Admittedly, multiclassing pure spellcasters was pretty dumb in 5e due to the loss of high level spell options.</p><p></p><p>But, access to 9th level bard spells by splashing bard 1 also seems sus.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 9637599, member: 72555"] The 2024 rules on learning new spells: Q1: Does Multiclassing [b]rewrite this[/b] to remove "as shown on the Wizard Features table[/b] and replace it with [b]as calculated by the multiclassing rules[/b]? Ie, is the "as shown" a clarification, or a restriction? Q2: This doesn't mention "as shown on the Wizard Features table". Ignoring multiclassing, suppose there was a feat or race that gave you a 3rd level spell slot at level 1. A single-classed wizard would be able to prepare 3rd level spells that are in their spellbook; they wouldn't be able to scribe such spells when they gained levels, however. If you had a 3rd level slot as a single-classed wizard, you could copy a 3rd level spell into your book (if you found it), then prepare it. .... So, then the question is, when you prepare spell as a wizard, do you ignore the fact you have higher level spell slots from multiclassing and pretend your only spell slots are from being a wizard, and from that (fictious state) determine your max spell slot? One could argue they should say "you can prepare spells up to 1/2 of your wizard level, rounded up" instead of mentioning spell slots; that would solve this problem. They don't, however. This wording is similar to Sorcerer in 2024: And for changing: Which also relies on "have spell slots". "Up to half your level, round up, and no more than 9th" would solve this, or an entry in the table. Only the wizard mentions "look at the wizard table" for the source of slots. ... Ok, balance impact: A Paladin 2/Sorcerer 10 can prepare 5th level Paladin spells, sooner than a pure Paladin can. I don't really like that. A sorcerer 10/wizard 10 has access to 9th level spells for both sides. Are the higher level class features of "pure casters" worth not multiclassing under these rules? Admittedly, multiclassing pure spellcasters was pretty dumb in 5e due to the loss of high level spell options. But, access to 9th level bard spells by splashing bard 1 also seems sus. [/QUOTE]
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