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<blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 5863772" data-attributes="member: 82425"><p>[MENTION=93444]shidaku[/MENTION]</p><p>Your not half wrong. Its hard to speculate on how multiclassing should work until we have a clear idea on how classes should work.</p><p></p><p>That said, Im actually looking at 4e multiclassing. Now, I thought 4e multiclassing was not very good. In PHB you have a multiclass feat (which was always a good feat to take) but then you have power swap...? Give up 3 feats for the option to swap 3 powers? Not ONE player over 3 years did it. Why? Because it was no gain, instead of the feat contributing to growth, it diverted it. Then you had the whole "which stat is the power keyed to" issue, if you were a fighter and wanted feasible wizard power you needed a good INT, making your MAD as a hatter. The you had the multi-class paragon, which was just underwhelming.</p><p></p><p>Later when hybrids came along things were a little better, but again, no-one wanted to touch them. Fidly and still massive victims if absolute MADness.</p><p></p><p>So, with all that ire, why am I interested in 4e feat based approach? Lets say every X levels (2 just to be easy) you get a multiclass "feat". This feat allow you to give up an feature of your class for the feature of another. You dont have to exercise this right (you can just leave your class vanilla and thats that), and you cant use it for anything else. Its not a feat, its an entitlement to swap.</p><p></p><p>So your fighter can one day say "Hmm, Im an 8th level fighter and I want to diversify. Can I give up a power strike for the rgoue feature to re-roll failed stealth checks. At the same time, can I give up stance-X for some wizarding ability...I want some spells to give me some oomph". Ok, thats 2 swaps. Seek appropriate trainer, get swap done, and if required he can make 2 more at some point in future.</p><p></p><p>At his core he will remain a fighter as the number of swap he can make will ensure that the bulk of his capabilities are fighter capabilities, but after that he can cherry pick a little.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BobTheNob, post: 5863772, member: 82425"] [MENTION=93444]shidaku[/MENTION] Your not half wrong. Its hard to speculate on how multiclassing should work until we have a clear idea on how classes should work. That said, Im actually looking at 4e multiclassing. Now, I thought 4e multiclassing was not very good. In PHB you have a multiclass feat (which was always a good feat to take) but then you have power swap...? Give up 3 feats for the option to swap 3 powers? Not ONE player over 3 years did it. Why? Because it was no gain, instead of the feat contributing to growth, it diverted it. Then you had the whole "which stat is the power keyed to" issue, if you were a fighter and wanted feasible wizard power you needed a good INT, making your MAD as a hatter. The you had the multi-class paragon, which was just underwhelming. Later when hybrids came along things were a little better, but again, no-one wanted to touch them. Fidly and still massive victims if absolute MADness. So, with all that ire, why am I interested in 4e feat based approach? Lets say every X levels (2 just to be easy) you get a multiclass "feat". This feat allow you to give up an feature of your class for the feature of another. You dont have to exercise this right (you can just leave your class vanilla and thats that), and you cant use it for anything else. Its not a feat, its an entitlement to swap. So your fighter can one day say "Hmm, Im an 8th level fighter and I want to diversify. Can I give up a power strike for the rgoue feature to re-roll failed stealth checks. At the same time, can I give up stance-X for some wizarding ability...I want some spells to give me some oomph". Ok, thats 2 swaps. Seek appropriate trainer, get swap done, and if required he can make 2 more at some point in future. At his core he will remain a fighter as the number of swap he can make will ensure that the bulk of his capabilities are fighter capabilities, but after that he can cherry pick a little. [/QUOTE]
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