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<blockquote data-quote="deleteme123456" data-source="post: 4561525" data-attributes="member: 65832"><p>Suppose you had a way to impose a condition such as blind or dazed as part of an attack power that granted multiple attacks (it would probably be something on a magic item you have, I don't know if any such thing really exists, but pretend it does because this is WoTC and eventually it will). Suppose you are a ranger.</p><p></p><p>Question 1:</p><p>Use twin strike, and make your first attack roll. Do you resolve that roll now, allowing you to choose to apply the condition (thereby gaining Combat Advantage on the 2nd), or do you wait until you've rolled both attacks and both damage rolls? [This may be opinion; I'm not clear if there is good RAW to support an argument but feel free to quote whatever you'd like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />]</p><p></p><p>Question 2:</p><p>Similarly, if a monster (typically Elite/Solo) has "Immediate reaction, when missed by a melee attack, at-will", does that trigger in response to Twin Strike...:</p><p>A. After the ranger swings and misses with the first attack, possibly imposing conditions such as blind or weakened that may apply to the second attack</p><p>B. After the ranger takes both attacks, so long as either misses</p><p>C. After the ranger takes both attacks, so long as both miss</p><p></p><p>Question 3:</p><p>Assume that the answer to 2 is A. If you disagree, you may skip this question. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> As part of the counterattack, the monster has a push 1 square effect, taking you out of range of the monster based on your current melee reach. Can you use your second attack:</p><p>A. against a creature you are now adjacent to</p><p>B. against the original creature because you used the power while he was in range</p><p>C. either A or B</p><p>D. against nothing because there are no legal targets based on when you used the power and where you are now</p><p></p><p>Question 4:</p><p>Using Dragon 368, you picked up a feat which allows you to shift one square after the first attack in Twin Strike under the right conditions (I'm not reproducing the article here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />). You meet those conditions. How much of your attack do you have to "declare" at once? Which of the following would you allow?</p><p>A. "I will attack Creature A, shift to this square, and attack Creature A again."</p><p>B. "I will attack Creature A. If creature A dies, I will shift to this square and attack creature B [not currently in melee range], else I will shift to that square and reattack creature A."</p><p>C. "I will attack Creature A. After seeing how much damage I do to it, I will decide what to do next."</p><p>D. (Write your own)</p><p></p><p>Edit: Crossposted to Gleemax. <a href="http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=17310224#post17310224" target="_blank">http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=17310224#post17310224</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deleteme123456, post: 4561525, member: 65832"] Suppose you had a way to impose a condition such as blind or dazed as part of an attack power that granted multiple attacks (it would probably be something on a magic item you have, I don't know if any such thing really exists, but pretend it does because this is WoTC and eventually it will). Suppose you are a ranger. Question 1: Use twin strike, and make your first attack roll. Do you resolve that roll now, allowing you to choose to apply the condition (thereby gaining Combat Advantage on the 2nd), or do you wait until you've rolled both attacks and both damage rolls? [This may be opinion; I'm not clear if there is good RAW to support an argument but feel free to quote whatever you'd like ;)] Question 2: Similarly, if a monster (typically Elite/Solo) has "Immediate reaction, when missed by a melee attack, at-will", does that trigger in response to Twin Strike...: A. After the ranger swings and misses with the first attack, possibly imposing conditions such as blind or weakened that may apply to the second attack B. After the ranger takes both attacks, so long as either misses C. After the ranger takes both attacks, so long as both miss Question 3: Assume that the answer to 2 is A. If you disagree, you may skip this question. :) As part of the counterattack, the monster has a push 1 square effect, taking you out of range of the monster based on your current melee reach. Can you use your second attack: A. against a creature you are now adjacent to B. against the original creature because you used the power while he was in range C. either A or B D. against nothing because there are no legal targets based on when you used the power and where you are now Question 4: Using Dragon 368, you picked up a feat which allows you to shift one square after the first attack in Twin Strike under the right conditions (I'm not reproducing the article here. :P). You meet those conditions. How much of your attack do you have to "declare" at once? Which of the following would you allow? A. "I will attack Creature A, shift to this square, and attack Creature A again." B. "I will attack Creature A. If creature A dies, I will shift to this square and attack creature B [not currently in melee range], else I will shift to that square and reattack creature A." C. "I will attack Creature A. After seeing how much damage I do to it, I will decide what to do next." D. (Write your own) Edit: Crossposted to Gleemax. [url]http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=17310224#post17310224[/url] [/QUOTE]
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