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<blockquote data-quote="D+1" data-source="post: 1560324" data-attributes="member: 13654"><p>I can tell you that I would. [edit: I at first said I wouldn't, but further review of the matter shows it's a bit of a non-starter.] It requires a Full Attack action to fight with two weapons. That means no movement other than 5' step. In order to make this technique effective you have to sheath the secondary weapon every round - which is a Move action and can't be done in the same round as TWF. Therefore if you've moved you CAN'T quickdraw and attack because that constitutes TWF - which is a Full Round action and is thus forbidden because you've moved. If you HAVEN'T moved you can do it, but then the next round you're faced with the same dilemma - sheathing it is a move action, TWF is a full action, quickdraw to MAKE the TWF action is thus not possible because you can't sheath the sword and perform a Full Round action. It's a net loss of effective attacks.</p><p></p><p>It seems a little after-the-fact but it's sensible, legal, and keeps someone from trying that kind of abuse. Solving that kind of abuse would certainly lend credence to the interpretation that simply holding a second weapon in your off-hand (regardless of whether you use it or not) invokes TWF penalties. Personally I'd still disagree. I say you CAN hold anything in your off-hand - including a weapon and the TWF penalties aren't invoked unless you USE it. Using it would include getting Defending bonuses from it. Although you might not attack with it you're still using it as a weapon. It gets a little dodgy but common sense is easily applicable to maintain order.</p><p></p><p>It does still leave open the matter of allowing iterative attacks at no penalty followed by the quickdraw/TWF attack. I'm a little undecided. It does take an additional feat to pull it off and you can't do it consistently from round to round without the net loss of effective attacks.</p><p></p><p>Kind of a trick question there, but no. If you have only ONE physical weapon in use during the round then it's irrelevant which hand you make your iterative attacks in. Switch back and forth as much as you like - it's still just ONE sword. This is particularly true in 3.5 which does away entirely with handedness/ambidexterity EXCEPT when fighting with two weapons. In 3.0 you'd only get a penalty for any attack made with your one weapon in your off-hand and your normal number of iterative attacks.</p><p></p><p>BTW, why all the questions related to armor spikes lately? It's like a meme that's suddenly made itself a nuisance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D+1, post: 1560324, member: 13654"] I can tell you that I would. [edit: I at first said I wouldn't, but further review of the matter shows it's a bit of a non-starter.] It requires a Full Attack action to fight with two weapons. That means no movement other than 5' step. In order to make this technique effective you have to sheath the secondary weapon every round - which is a Move action and can't be done in the same round as TWF. Therefore if you've moved you CAN'T quickdraw and attack because that constitutes TWF - which is a Full Round action and is thus forbidden because you've moved. If you HAVEN'T moved you can do it, but then the next round you're faced with the same dilemma - sheathing it is a move action, TWF is a full action, quickdraw to MAKE the TWF action is thus not possible because you can't sheath the sword and perform a Full Round action. It's a net loss of effective attacks. It seems a little after-the-fact but it's sensible, legal, and keeps someone from trying that kind of abuse. Solving that kind of abuse would certainly lend credence to the interpretation that simply holding a second weapon in your off-hand (regardless of whether you use it or not) invokes TWF penalties. Personally I'd still disagree. I say you CAN hold anything in your off-hand - including a weapon and the TWF penalties aren't invoked unless you USE it. Using it would include getting Defending bonuses from it. Although you might not attack with it you're still using it as a weapon. It gets a little dodgy but common sense is easily applicable to maintain order. It does still leave open the matter of allowing iterative attacks at no penalty followed by the quickdraw/TWF attack. I'm a little undecided. It does take an additional feat to pull it off and you can't do it consistently from round to round without the net loss of effective attacks. Kind of a trick question there, but no. If you have only ONE physical weapon in use during the round then it's irrelevant which hand you make your iterative attacks in. Switch back and forth as much as you like - it's still just ONE sword. This is particularly true in 3.5 which does away entirely with handedness/ambidexterity EXCEPT when fighting with two weapons. In 3.0 you'd only get a penalty for any attack made with your one weapon in your off-hand and your normal number of iterative attacks. BTW, why all the questions related to armor spikes lately? It's like a meme that's suddenly made itself a nuisance. [/QUOTE]
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