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<blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 162139" data-attributes="member: 876">I'm wondering how some of the more experienced DMs (esp., PirateCat, Caliban) handle the situation of a group of characters trying to Hide from a group of characters trying to Spot them. (Or any other similary opposed check: Move Sliently/Listen, hide an item/Search, etc.)Let's assume that everyone on both sides makes a skill check (which I'm sure is the book rule by default). Without going into the mathematics of it, since all you need is any Spotter check to beat any Hider check, with just a few people on each side, it becomes dreadfully unlikely that the Hiders will go undetected. It seems like what might be best is to only use the worst Hider's skill against the best Spotter's skill -- but such a method is only even suggested in the books specifically for the &quot;Listen&quot; skill (PH p. 71).Do you guys routinely let everyone have a separate chance at Spotting enemies (basically giving the Hiders away for free, statistically)? Do you make separate checks for all the Hiders, in addition? Is there anything in the books that I'm missing for a methodology to this?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dcollins, post: 162139, member: 876"] I'm wondering how some of the more experienced DMs (esp., PirateCat, Caliban) handle the situation of a group of characters trying to Hide from a group of characters trying to Spot them. (Or any other similary opposed check: Move Sliently/Listen, hide an item/Search, etc.) Let's assume that everyone on both sides makes a skill check (which I'm sure is the book rule by default). Without going into the mathematics of it, since all you need is any Spotter check to beat any Hider check, with just a few people on each side, it becomes dreadfully unlikely that the Hiders will go undetected. It seems like what might be best is to only use the worst Hider's skill against the best Spotter's skill -- but such a method is only even suggested in the books specifically for the "Listen" skill (PH p. 71). Do you guys routinely let everyone have a separate chance at Spotting enemies (basically giving the Hiders away for free, statistically)? Do you make separate checks for all the Hiders, in addition? Is there anything in the books that I'm missing for a methodology to this? [/QUOTE]

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