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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4481037" data-attributes="member: 71571">(save ends) is the definition of when a Conditional Duration effect ends.  Two applications of X ongoing Y damage are seperate effects, and therefore have seperate durations.  Saving against one does not satisfy the end of the duration of the second, unrelated effect, and therefore the duration does not end.In other words, if you have two ongoing 5 fire damage effects, you only apply 5 fire damage at the beginning of your turn because the effects do not stack.  However, because they are two -seperate- effects, you check for the end of their Conditional Duration at the end of your turn seperately.  If you save one, but not the other, you've ended one, but the other still affects you.</blockquote>