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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 5208311" data-attributes="member: 40109">Possibly. It depends on what you mean by &quot;simultaneous.&quot;&nbsp;Taking the example I've presented (attack + move/draw weapon): if by &quot;simultaneous&quot; you mean it doesn't matter whether the attack is made first or last, because everything is happening on the actor's turn anyway, then no, that's incorrect. The move has to happen first, and as a result of that, the actor may no longer be in position to attack after the sword is drawn.&nbsp;If you mean something else by &quot;simultaneous,&quot; it may indeed be irrelevant. As I said, it rarely (if ever) matters &quot;when&quot; in a round something happens, but the relative order of actors and their actions matters greatly.&nbsp;I agree with that. Trying to figure out if a standard action takes 3.1 seconds or 4.0 seconds is like asking what noise green makes; it takes &quot;1 standard action&quot; worth of time.&nbsp;I don't agree with that sentiment at all, unless you're using &quot;logic&quot; to mean something different than I imagine. Which is entirely possible; I'm still not sure we're using &quot;simultaneous&quot; to mean the same thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 5208311, member: 40109"] Possibly. It depends on what you mean by "simultaneous." Taking the example I've presented (attack + move/draw weapon): if by "simultaneous" you mean it doesn't matter whether the attack is made first or last, because everything is happening on the actor's turn anyway, then no, that's incorrect. The move has to happen first, and as a result of that, the actor may no longer be in position to attack after the sword is drawn. If you mean something else by "simultaneous," it may indeed be irrelevant. As I said, it rarely (if ever) matters "when" in a round something happens, but the [I]relative order[/I] of actors and their actions matters greatly. I agree with that. Trying to figure out if a standard action takes 3.1 seconds or 4.0 seconds is like asking what noise green makes; it takes "1 standard action" worth of time. I don't agree with that sentiment at all, unless you're using "logic" to mean something different than I imagine. Which is entirely possible; I'm still not sure we're using "simultaneous" to mean the same thing. [/QUOTE]

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