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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 2454467" data-attributes="member: 6939">Well... you are missing a few things.First, a TK/F1 has an ECL of 5, not 4. (2HD+2LA+1Ftr) So you should be comparing it to a Ftr 5. OTOH, your last conclusion is erroneuos, since GP/lvl is determined by ECL, not class level; so they should have the same amount of magic/equipment.TK/Ftr1 gets 3 feats. (human)Ftr5 gets 6 feats*but* in 5 levels, it becomes 6 vs. 8 *and* the TK gets a racial feat the fighter can't easily get.TK/Ftr1 has 18HP. H/Ftr5 gets 32HP*but* in 5 levels that becomes 45 vs 59, and the TK is much harder to hitTK/Ftr1 gets +3BAB, and the H/Ftr5 gets +4*but* the TK gets a +1 from str bonus, or a +2 from Dex, so it is at least equal.AC: the TK will have a +5 AC advantage over the human (NA+dex) At level 5, that is huge. And even at level 10 it is a big deal.So, from the items you listed, the Ftr5 has the advantage, especially in HP, though the TK AC will take care of part of that.But you left out a few things....The TK can attack unarmed, and get 5 attacks at 1d4 each, plus poisen bite. The human gets one attack a 1d3 non-lethal, and provoke AoO. Or spend a feat and get 1d3 lethal, and no AoO.The TK also gets Deflect Arrows as a bonus feat, and it is much easier for him to have an 'open hand' to use. human can spend two feats (one plus above feat) to get this.The TK gets  +1 damage from higher str. The TK gets Darkvision 60', human can spend a feat and get it at 5'The TK gets to spend one feat, and get 4 attacks at -2, the human spends a feat and can only get 2 attacks at -2The TK can also bite at -5The TK also gets poisen on the bite.The TK is immune to sleep, charm person, dominate person, etc.The TK gets to move 40', the human can spend a feat to get 35'The TK gets a +30 to jump, *and* the modifier for moving 40'The Tk gets screwed on skills, except for hide/jump/languages. but otherwise....And if that wasn't enough.... TK can cast chameleon, know direction, psionic displacement, and metaphysical claw.And you want to convince your DM that the TK also needsThe TK takes a feat and gets +2AC, the human takes the same feat and gets +1AC</blockquote>

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