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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_Gneech" data-source="post: 4488823" data-attributes="member: 6779">This is why the desire for "grim and gritty" or "low fantasy" (or whatever you want to call it) variations comes up again and again -- and why D&D is periodically referred to as a superhero game with a fantasy skin on it.Speaking only for myself, I much prefer the guy in chainmail fighting a bear. My exact words on flipping through the 4E MM the first time: "Zombies with wings? What the heck is THAT about?" I love having magic and the supernatural spice up the background -- but like spice, too much of it and it becomes an irritant instead.Somewhere in 2e I started to feel like D&D was dangerously skirting the realm of "over-the-top"-ness, but that could be mitigated by staying at lower levels. 4e, as far as I can tell, has blown all that away by having everybody and their brother full of superpowers from day one. I'm sure the WAR artwork (et al.) doesn't help, but whenever I look at or in a 4e book, I see neon lights and hear bad metal music turned up way too loud.I prefer my fantasy turned up to around 8.5 or so, thanks. I don't want it turned up to 11.-The Gneech <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>