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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4502421" data-attributes="member: 51325">How do you figure the level of a standard guard is 19th level? Keep in mind that even in 1e, you could modify a guard to be 19th level but that's not what people would consider standard.&nbsp;I think the difference is that in 4E, there's a clear difference not only between &quot;farmer McGee&quot; and the PCs.&nbsp;There's ALSO a clear difference between Farmer McGee and Bob the bandit which I think wasn't as clear cut as before in earlier editions.&nbsp;For example, we've been focusing on &quot;what is a normal farmer like in 4E when compared to the PCs&quot; but what about the local bandit when compared to the farmer?&nbsp;To me, 4E characters start off stronger than Joe Sixpack who is a carpenter by trade but not as strong as Officer McCleary who walks his beat every day. They exist in that in-between state.&nbsp;This _IS_ different than before where the PCs start off as (slightly) stronger than EITHER&nbsp; McCleary or Joe.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4502421, member: 51325"] How do you figure the level of a standard guard is 19th level? Keep in mind that even in 1e, you could modify a guard to be 19th level but that's not what people would consider standard. I think the difference is that in 4E, there's a clear difference not only between "farmer McGee" and the PCs. There's ALSO a clear difference between Farmer McGee and Bob the bandit which I think wasn't as clear cut as before in earlier editions. For example, we've been focusing on "what is a normal farmer like in 4E when compared to the PCs" but what about the local bandit when compared to the farmer? To me, 4E characters start off stronger than Joe Sixpack who is a carpenter by trade but not as strong as Officer McCleary who walks his beat every day. They exist in that in-between state. This _IS_ different than before where the PCs start off as (slightly) stronger than EITHER McCleary or Joe. [/QUOTE]

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