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<blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 4662372" data-attributes="member: 1861">In 3.x we always just took the heart, burned the body, etc. to prevent raising... and even in cases where such didn't occur death wasn't so easy to come back from in any of the games I was part of... but ehh, perhaps in a place where the revolving door is more common...When it comes to costs of raising, there are plenty of ways to get around that.&nbsp; I love Supernatural and the concept of using bargaining with higher/lower powers for coming back.&nbsp; We had a character in one of the campaigns I ran dragged back from the brink by a shadow demon back around... 6 years ago?&nbsp; Paladin claimed as a blackguard, given a spot of shadow to his abilities, and marked with the handprints of being dragged back from the Heavens by the Pit.&nbsp; Provided for a goodly amount of redemption, though due to parting of the adventuring party the poor paladin was left in the sands of perdition for years before a completely different party, in a completely different game came across him and pulled him back through the deserts to the land of the living a half century after he left his world.My favorite way of seeing it made it into one of my games after a few hours of discussion on death and dying.&nbsp; Talented families of tombtouched individuals serve as suicidal retrievers.&nbsp; Take deadly nightshade, or a similar poison, and kill yourself . . . then drag the other soul back with you.&nbsp; Family upon family of poor wretches hire Grandpa, Uncle Bob, or Great Aunt Gertrude to be retrievers... from birth they know that this will be their path to the Afterlife, and they know the pathways well.Murder and Death have a lot of ethical quandries.&nbsp; But personally I just don't think that Raise Dead should be available without additional barriers for even adventurers, much less the common folk.Slainte,-Loonook.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Loonook, post: 4662372, member: 1861"] In 3.x we always just took the heart, burned the body, etc. to prevent raising... and even in cases where such didn't occur death wasn't so easy to come back from in any of the games I was part of... but ehh, perhaps in a place where the revolving door is more common... When it comes to costs of raising, there are plenty of ways to get around that. I love Supernatural and the concept of using bargaining with higher/lower powers for coming back. We had a character in one of the campaigns I ran dragged back from the brink by a shadow demon back around... 6 years ago? Paladin claimed as a blackguard, given a spot of shadow to his abilities, and marked with the handprints of being dragged back from the Heavens by the Pit. Provided for a goodly amount of redemption, though due to parting of the adventuring party the poor paladin was left in the sands of perdition for years before a completely different party, in a completely different game came across him and pulled him back through the deserts to the land of the living a half century after he left his world. My favorite way of seeing it made it into one of my games after a few hours of discussion on death and dying. Talented families of tombtouched individuals serve as suicidal retrievers. Take deadly nightshade, or a similar poison, and kill yourself . . . then drag the other soul back with you. Family upon family of poor wretches hire Grandpa, Uncle Bob, or Great Aunt Gertrude to be retrievers... from birth they know that this will be their path to the Afterlife, and they know the pathways well. Murder and Death have a lot of ethical quandries. But personally I just don't think that Raise Dead should be available without additional barriers for even adventurers, much less the common folk. Slainte, -Loonook. [/QUOTE]

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