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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9530547" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>Sure. It seems like you are taking a utilitarian approach - greater good; intentions are irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>Classic utilitarianism.</p><p></p><p>I think these are meaningless words so I am not going to address them.</p><p></p><p>Also, "definitionally morally good" is undefinable, so best to set it aside.</p><p></p><p>Well, not exactly, not in a scenario like D&D where the gods and outer planes are demonstrably real and can be contacted and visited. Let's say the paladin in your party has verified: yup, Bahamat really wants you to slaughter all the adult goblins and take their children to be raised, along with all their descendants, in his religion so that they can all be eligible for an eternity of bliss or whatever.</p><p></p><p>Surely, that's a moral imperative, given how this universe works. I mean, if we are looking at the greater good, a literal eternity of bliss (or whatever that god's definition of good is) has to immeasurably outweigh some brief, mortal pain and suffering, doesn't it?</p><p></p><p>If we assume such a world, shouldn't the logical outcome be that all of the forces of Good are relentlessly crusading to bring everyone into their light, temporary earthly suffering be damned? If not, why not?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9530547, member: 7035894"] Sure. It seems like you are taking a utilitarian approach - greater good; intentions are irrelevant. Classic utilitarianism. I think these are meaningless words so I am not going to address them. Also, "definitionally morally good" is undefinable, so best to set it aside. Well, not exactly, not in a scenario like D&D where the gods and outer planes are demonstrably real and can be contacted and visited. Let's say the paladin in your party has verified: yup, Bahamat really wants you to slaughter all the adult goblins and take their children to be raised, along with all their descendants, in his religion so that they can all be eligible for an eternity of bliss or whatever. Surely, that's a moral imperative, given how this universe works. I mean, if we are looking at the greater good, a literal eternity of bliss (or whatever that god's definition of good is) has to immeasurably outweigh some brief, mortal pain and suffering, doesn't it? If we assume such a world, shouldn't the logical outcome be that all of the forces of Good are relentlessly crusading to bring everyone into their light, temporary earthly suffering be damned? If not, why not? [/QUOTE]
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