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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9531385" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>To make this work requires one of two things:</p><p></p><p>1) Redefining what is "Good" to be more in line with what we know to be evil.</p><p>2) An external reason to goodness for why "Good" can't be allowed to win.</p><p></p><p>We all understand why evil can't be allowed to win, because everything would suck. But good winning would be, categorically, a -good- thing. Full stop. No, being "Too Good" would not be bad or conquest or some other thing, those require evil or badness or wrongness to make happen. A world that is wholly good is good. There is no evil, there.</p><p></p><p>"But what if the world is LG and there's too much law??" Not the question. The question is about -good-. And also irrelevant because in an LG society the L supports and enforces the G so the laws wouldn't/couldn't be so overbearing as to create E through magical alignment alchemy.</p><p></p><p>If you redefine good to be more in line with evil then you need some kind of balance and likely to put some Goodness over in the evil. It's nonsensical but whatever.</p><p></p><p>The only way this thing works without trying to define good as "Secretly Evil" is to have some reason, external to the definitions of good and evil, to stop good from just outright winning.</p><p></p><p>Some greater evil in the universe that will be triggered when good crosses the finish line and wins.</p><p></p><p>Maybe if Good wins in the universe the whole planar axis will collapse in on itself when Hell and the Abyss are destroyed, causing massive destruction.</p><p></p><p>Maybe if Good wins then the gods shrug their shoulders, pay their bet, and move on to the next universe.</p><p></p><p>Maybe if Good wins the "Final Seal" unlocks on some ancient trapped evil that gets triggered to unleash evil into the world, again, and the balance is gonna be long-term screwed by the massive influx of evil that destroys an inordinate amount of good.</p><p></p><p>But it's gotta be external.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise "Muscular Neutrals" are just being evil as they seek to maintain the existence of all the ills of evil in the world.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9531385, member: 6796468"] To make this work requires one of two things: 1) Redefining what is "Good" to be more in line with what we know to be evil. 2) An external reason to goodness for why "Good" can't be allowed to win. We all understand why evil can't be allowed to win, because everything would suck. But good winning would be, categorically, a -good- thing. Full stop. No, being "Too Good" would not be bad or conquest or some other thing, those require evil or badness or wrongness to make happen. A world that is wholly good is good. There is no evil, there. "But what if the world is LG and there's too much law??" Not the question. The question is about -good-. And also irrelevant because in an LG society the L supports and enforces the G so the laws wouldn't/couldn't be so overbearing as to create E through magical alignment alchemy. If you redefine good to be more in line with evil then you need some kind of balance and likely to put some Goodness over in the evil. It's nonsensical but whatever. The only way this thing works without trying to define good as "Secretly Evil" is to have some reason, external to the definitions of good and evil, to stop good from just outright winning. Some greater evil in the universe that will be triggered when good crosses the finish line and wins. Maybe if Good wins in the universe the whole planar axis will collapse in on itself when Hell and the Abyss are destroyed, causing massive destruction. Maybe if Good wins then the gods shrug their shoulders, pay their bet, and move on to the next universe. Maybe if Good wins the "Final Seal" unlocks on some ancient trapped evil that gets triggered to unleash evil into the world, again, and the balance is gonna be long-term screwed by the massive influx of evil that destroys an inordinate amount of good. But it's gotta be external. Otherwise "Muscular Neutrals" are just being evil as they seek to maintain the existence of all the ills of evil in the world. [/QUOTE]
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