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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Epic Meepo" data-source="post: 9533607" data-attributes="member: 57073">I'd be interested in engaging with the premise of the thread, so I have a follow-up question. Since we're assuming Good (altruism and respect for others) can win and defeat Evil (harm and oppression) forever, what does a world where Evil has been defeated look like?I would need a concrete answer to that question in order to engage in the thought experiment in the OP. As soon as I have to take the possibility of Good or Evil winning absolutely and forever into account when explaining the actions of Muscular Neutrals, I don't think the definitions of Good and Evil provided in the OP are sufficient. Before I can posit why someone would oppose a 100% Good world, I would need to know what that world actually is for the purpose of this discussion.If this is the only question you're asking, without including the premise that a 100% Good utopia can actually be achieved and 100% of Evil actually can be removed from the world, I would posit this:The Muscular Neutrals don't trust that everyone around them is altruistic, so they don't want to live in a society based on altruism (a Good society, as it were). They don't believe such a society would guarantee their safety and well-being. They would rather live in a society based on enlightened self-interest, where people are incentivized to treat one another well for purely selfish reasons. Since Good would presumably oppose the creation of a society that didn't aspire to Good, Muscular Neutrals must necessarily oppose Good on a societal level. The purism of Good doesn't allow for the type of society these Neutrals are comfortable living in.</blockquote>

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