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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9534102" data-attributes="member: 6796468">The outcome of good winning has to outweigh the harm of innocent people from now until eternity's end. Because every ounce of suffering, every inch of torment, every second of pain adds up across all of time.What can be -so bad- that it's worse than people perpetually suffering for all time? The list is breathtakingly short.1) The destruction of everyone, suffering and otherwise. This one requires a bit of utilitarian moral calculus, but a smaller quantity of people suffering forever with a larger quantity of people -not- suffering forever is probably "Worth It" from the perspective of most people, even among the suffering. Though, of course, there's an argument that no one should be forced to suffer for other people to live and an end to pain may be preferable to.2) Increased total quantity of eternal suffering. Again, utilitarian moral calculus, if the end state is "Good wins, everyone goes to hell" or something similar. Again it requires an external force to enact through an end-state manipulation, but this one is essentially entirely evil. Not sure it can exist if evil has been truly "Defeated". So the list might be even shorter.To be clear, I'm not saying for either of these things to work that Tiny Tim becomes an immortal suffering child. I'm saying there will be an effectively infinite number of Tiny Tims each suffering in sequence into eternity.</blockquote>

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