Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Muscular Neutrality (thought experiment)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 9539985" data-attributes="member: 42856"><p>I'd say that even without foreseeing ability, the Muscular Neutral could be justified by anticipating or fearing this outcome. Some people are acting against nuclear weapons even they can't be sure they'll be used ever again. I don't think their uncertainty diminish the justification they have for their actions in their eyes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The question wouldn't be "why not work with Good" but "why bother work with Good?" Why would your group even try to work with Good? They would be unaligned on the Good/Evil axis, because they don't value Good-as-defined-by-OP as necessary better or worse than Evil-as-defined-by-OP, because they don't actively want to harm people (that would be Evil), but have no qualm doing it in pursuit of the greater good-in-their-value-set. In their definition, knowledge is above all and they think progresses better under duress, which is something that happened in real life, so it's doesn't break suspension of disbelief to have a group thinking it is the case in their world. An absolute victory of either side would diminish the arm race, so they are perfectly happy with a MAD statu quo, and don't want to work only with one side, because they'd be giving this side the opportunity to eradicate the other side, which would be contrary to their core value to maintain the statu quo.</p><p></p><p>"Yeah, dear hero, we have given the Evil side a recipe for a plague that will wipe approximately 10% of the Good Faction's population. We know you'll call us Mad Scientists, but you're totally wrong. We aknowledge that losing so many people is a tragedy. I am really sorry for them. But if we don't unleash this plague, think of the consequences: the resulting war will bring us the spells to create continual light spells, and mending closet that will allow everyone to repair anything they own, forever, bringing our society one step forward toward the end of scarcity. It will also remove the need for a lot of industralization, saving the natural world of contamination, pollutants, and a lot of destruction since we won't need to mine areas for rare earths... It will suck for the 10% -- who will have a shortened lifetime, but we don't worry for them to much because they'll just get quicker to their Good afterlife -- but every generation after will get much improved lives, and the need of the many outweigh the need of the few. So our act, despite your short-sighted views, aren't bad. They are enlightened. Now, you die, because sorry but we can't afford to let you live, and there is no possibility I'll just ask my daughter to execute the handsome hero, I'll just do it myself, right now. <em>presses button</em>. Sheesh, Good heroes, it's always a pain in the ass because they are always whining "why are you so eviiiil"..."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 9539985, member: 42856"] I'd say that even without foreseeing ability, the Muscular Neutral could be justified by anticipating or fearing this outcome. Some people are acting against nuclear weapons even they can't be sure they'll be used ever again. I don't think their uncertainty diminish the justification they have for their actions in their eyes. The question wouldn't be "why not work with Good" but "why bother work with Good?" Why would your group even try to work with Good? They would be unaligned on the Good/Evil axis, because they don't value Good-as-defined-by-OP as necessary better or worse than Evil-as-defined-by-OP, because they don't actively want to harm people (that would be Evil), but have no qualm doing it in pursuit of the greater good-in-their-value-set. In their definition, knowledge is above all and they think progresses better under duress, which is something that happened in real life, so it's doesn't break suspension of disbelief to have a group thinking it is the case in their world. An absolute victory of either side would diminish the arm race, so they are perfectly happy with a MAD statu quo, and don't want to work only with one side, because they'd be giving this side the opportunity to eradicate the other side, which would be contrary to their core value to maintain the statu quo. "Yeah, dear hero, we have given the Evil side a recipe for a plague that will wipe approximately 10% of the Good Faction's population. We know you'll call us Mad Scientists, but you're totally wrong. We aknowledge that losing so many people is a tragedy. I am really sorry for them. But if we don't unleash this plague, think of the consequences: the resulting war will bring us the spells to create continual light spells, and mending closet that will allow everyone to repair anything they own, forever, bringing our society one step forward toward the end of scarcity. It will also remove the need for a lot of industralization, saving the natural world of contamination, pollutants, and a lot of destruction since we won't need to mine areas for rare earths... It will suck for the 10% -- who will have a shortened lifetime, but we don't worry for them to much because they'll just get quicker to their Good afterlife -- but every generation after will get much improved lives, and the need of the many outweigh the need of the few. So our act, despite your short-sighted views, aren't bad. They are enlightened. Now, you die, because sorry but we can't afford to let you live, and there is no possibility I'll just ask my daughter to execute the handsome hero, I'll just do it myself, right now. [I]presses button[/I]. Sheesh, Good heroes, it's always a pain in the ass because they are always whining "why are you so eviiiil"..." [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Muscular Neutrality (thought experiment)
Top