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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9565650" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>Put simply: Neutral characters are, inevitably, morally indifferent. It's how neutrality works. They allow evil to thrive and hold power because they just don't really care. Sure, they'd prefer if the people in their life were good, but don't want to put forth the effort to make it so.</p><p></p><p>Muscular Neutrals, on the other hand, have got to be wrong to the point of being self-blinding.</p><p></p><p>Anything else relies on either the defeat of evil resulting in a fail-state for the universe, or "Good" to secretly be worse than "Evil" which is nonsensical at best.</p><p></p><p>For Muscular Neutrals to "Work" they have to be so disconnected from human experience as to not understand that the differences between good and evil aren't just as irrelevant to the fate of the world as apples and oranges having different flavors. They've got to be so blitheringly maladapted as to think there's no meaningful difference between suffering and joy because "Both of them are feelings and feelings are valid".</p><p></p><p>They've somehow got to believe that everyone has the right to be evil and commit murders and assaults and thefts and atrocities and that stopping them from doing so is only appropriate when it gets "Out of Hand". And if you try to stop them -before- it gets out of hand, Muscular Neutral will stop you from stopping them because your "Goodness" is getting out of hand.</p><p></p><p>Maybe it's because they're uncaring of the victims and care only about their little slice of things? A circle of "Muscularly Neutral" druids doesn't care if there's a bunch of evil armies coming to destroy the innocent, or armies of good seeking to destroy all the evil. But if -either- group touches -their- trees, they'll kill them all because it's "Upsetting the Balance of Nature" in this single particular forest which is the only thing they care about.</p><p></p><p>In short: Muscular Neutrality can almost never be "Right". It must be Ignorant, Unfeeling, or Alien.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9565650, member: 6796468"] Put simply: Neutral characters are, inevitably, morally indifferent. It's how neutrality works. They allow evil to thrive and hold power because they just don't really care. Sure, they'd prefer if the people in their life were good, but don't want to put forth the effort to make it so. Muscular Neutrals, on the other hand, have got to be wrong to the point of being self-blinding. Anything else relies on either the defeat of evil resulting in a fail-state for the universe, or "Good" to secretly be worse than "Evil" which is nonsensical at best. For Muscular Neutrals to "Work" they have to be so disconnected from human experience as to not understand that the differences between good and evil aren't just as irrelevant to the fate of the world as apples and oranges having different flavors. They've got to be so blitheringly maladapted as to think there's no meaningful difference between suffering and joy because "Both of them are feelings and feelings are valid". They've somehow got to believe that everyone has the right to be evil and commit murders and assaults and thefts and atrocities and that stopping them from doing so is only appropriate when it gets "Out of Hand". And if you try to stop them -before- it gets out of hand, Muscular Neutral will stop you from stopping them because your "Goodness" is getting out of hand. Maybe it's because they're uncaring of the victims and care only about their little slice of things? A circle of "Muscularly Neutral" druids doesn't care if there's a bunch of evil armies coming to destroy the innocent, or armies of good seeking to destroy all the evil. But if -either- group touches -their- trees, they'll kill them all because it's "Upsetting the Balance of Nature" in this single particular forest which is the only thing they care about. In short: Muscular Neutrality can almost never be "Right". It must be Ignorant, Unfeeling, or Alien. [/QUOTE]
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