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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9614524" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>And it doesn't even require science. Art has been creating concepts which have no physical referent since before we had written language. We invented a Jabberwock to tell silly mock-ballads about; we know what it looks like even. Yet it isn't real.</p><p></p><p>You also have things like when math comes up with a "pure math" concept...that we then later realize has incredibly useful practical applications, e.g. non-Euclidean geometry (needed for relativity and the distortion of spacetime), quaternions (used for 3D rotations and rendering, incredibly important for modern gaming), and even <em>conic sections</em> (the height of Greek pure mathematics, until we learned that they describe <em>trajectories!</em>) Occasionally the flow even goes the other way: the theory of distributions arose because Paul Dirac needed a "function" which had ridiculous BS properties and he just said "well, I'm gonna pretend such a function exists", and mathematicians said, "Well that's not cricket at all!" and went to make the Dirac delta "function" actually rigorous.</p><p></p><p>Effectively, Max is arguing a form of the strong Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which is widely discredited and <em>never actually said</em> by either Sapir or Whorf. People invent new words all the time. Some of them survive. Others don't. The ones that survive long enough qualify for getting recorded in dictionaries.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9614524, member: 6790260"] And it doesn't even require science. Art has been creating concepts which have no physical referent since before we had written language. We invented a Jabberwock to tell silly mock-ballads about; we know what it looks like even. Yet it isn't real. You also have things like when math comes up with a "pure math" concept...that we then later realize has incredibly useful practical applications, e.g. non-Euclidean geometry (needed for relativity and the distortion of spacetime), quaternions (used for 3D rotations and rendering, incredibly important for modern gaming), and even [I]conic sections[/I] (the height of Greek pure mathematics, until we learned that they describe [I]trajectories![/I]) Occasionally the flow even goes the other way: the theory of distributions arose because Paul Dirac needed a "function" which had ridiculous BS properties and he just said "well, I'm gonna pretend such a function exists", and mathematicians said, "Well that's not cricket at all!" and went to make the Dirac delta "function" actually rigorous. Effectively, Max is arguing a form of the strong Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which is widely discredited and [I]never actually said[/I] by either Sapir or Whorf. People invent new words all the time. Some of them survive. Others don't. The ones that survive long enough qualify for getting recorded in dictionaries. [/QUOTE]
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