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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7128770" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>If you're going to quote something, it should be the Basic Rules Document: </p><p></p><p><em>"A tool helps you to do something you couldn’t otherwise do, such as craft or repair an item, forge a document, or pick a lock. Your race, class, background, or feats give you proficiency with certain tools. Proficiency with a tool allows you to add your proficiency bonus to any ability check you make using that tool. Tool use is not tied to a single ability, since proficiency with a tool represents broader knowledge of its use. For example, the DM might ask you to make a Dexterity check to carve a fine detail with your woodcarver’s tools, or a Strength check to make something out of particularly hard wood."</em></p><p></p><p><em>"</em>Musical Instrument.<em> Several of the most common types of musical instruments are shown on the table as examples. If you have proficiency with a given musical instrument, you can add your proficiency bonus to any ability checks you make to play music with the instrument. Each type of musical instrument requires a separate proficiency."</em></p><p></p><p><em>"</em>Performance.<em> Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.</em></p><p></p><p>As you can see, proficiency with a musical instrument allows you to add your proficiency bonus whenever you make an ability check to play music with that instrument, but the Performance skill lets you add your proficiency bonus whenever you make an ability check to entertain someone by playing music. Given the general rule that you can't add your proficiency bonus to the same roll more than once, having both skill and tool proficiencies would be entirely redundant under any situation where you attempt to entertain someone by playing a musical instrument. The skill proficiency also allows you to entertain someone <em>without</em> playing an instrument, though, and I guess you could argue that tool proficiency with the instrument would allow you to play music without entertaining anyone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7128770, member: 6775031"] If you're going to quote something, it should be the Basic Rules Document: [I]"A tool helps you to do something you couldn’t otherwise do, such as craft or repair an item, forge a document, or pick a lock. Your race, class, background, or feats give you proficiency with certain tools. Proficiency with a tool allows you to add your proficiency bonus to any ability check you make using that tool. Tool use is not tied to a single ability, since proficiency with a tool represents broader knowledge of its use. For example, the DM might ask you to make a Dexterity check to carve a fine detail with your woodcarver’s tools, or a Strength check to make something out of particularly hard wood."[/I] [I]"[/I]Musical Instrument.[I] Several of the most common types of musical instruments are shown on the table as examples. If you have proficiency with a given musical instrument, you can add your proficiency bonus to any ability checks you make to play music with the instrument. Each type of musical instrument requires a separate proficiency."[/I] [I]"[/I]Performance.[I] Your Charisma (Performance) check determines how well you can delight an audience with music, dance, acting, storytelling, or some other form of entertainment.[/I] As you can see, proficiency with a musical instrument allows you to add your proficiency bonus whenever you make an ability check to play music with that instrument, but the Performance skill lets you add your proficiency bonus whenever you make an ability check to entertain someone by playing music. Given the general rule that you can't add your proficiency bonus to the same roll more than once, having both skill and tool proficiencies would be entirely redundant under any situation where you attempt to entertain someone by playing a musical instrument. The skill proficiency also allows you to entertain someone [I]without[/I] playing an instrument, though, and I guess you could argue that tool proficiency with the instrument would allow you to play music without entertaining anyone. [/QUOTE]
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