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<blockquote data-quote="Kalshane" data-source="post: 7129254" data-attributes="member: 9505">The difference between tools and skills is tools require a physical object to perform, while skills are inherent to the character (though physical objects can sometimes help, such as a climber's kit for Strength (Athletics) checks to climb.)Thieves' Tools are a tool proficiency because you can't pick a lock with your bare fingers.Musical Instruments are a tool proficiency because unless it's an air guitar, you need a physical instrument to play.I think the general &quot;music&quot; listed under the Perform skill is a mistake at odds with the way skills and tools work for everything else. If you're playing a lute, it would be a lute tool check. If you were also signing and/or dancing while playing the lute, that would be separate Charisma (Perform) check.Basically, what roll(s) you call for depend on what the character was doing and hoping to accomplish. I would say someone who had both Perform and proficiency in a musical instrument could use their instrument to &quot;Help&quot; their Perform check or vice-versa.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kalshane, post: 7129254, member: 9505"] The difference between tools and skills is tools require a physical object to perform, while skills are inherent to the character (though physical objects can sometimes help, such as a climber's kit for Strength (Athletics) checks to climb.) Thieves' Tools are a tool proficiency because you can't pick a lock with your bare fingers. Musical Instruments are a tool proficiency because unless it's an air guitar, you need a physical instrument to play. I think the general "music" listed under the Perform skill is a mistake at odds with the way skills and tools work for everything else. If you're playing a lute, it would be a lute tool check. If you were also signing and/or dancing while playing the lute, that would be separate Charisma (Perform) check. Basically, what roll(s) you call for depend on what the character was doing and hoping to accomplish. I would say someone who had both Perform and proficiency in a musical instrument could use their instrument to "Help" their Perform check or vice-versa. [/QUOTE]

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