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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Rob" data-source="post: 765189" data-attributes="member: 10952">As the DM in question, i have to agree that despite efforts to the contrary the gaming group is still very combat oriented. The idea to add creatures they cannot get past without negotiation, or putting them in a PC-race only environment where negotiations or diplomacy checks are required, often the only one who melds to the plot is Joe. The other players either mindlessly go to an inn, get drunk, wench, and start a bar fight... or attempt to threaten  the king/ruler/primary NPC. They've threatened NPCs 10 levels higher than them, their gods, and i even have a PC who killed a small slave-girl wh knew how to get back to the pens unseen, but 'didn't want to go where the bad men would hurt her'.And yes, i have killed them for their insane offensive actions, but it just doesn't seem to sink in. Although after reading the posts here, i have decided to try a strictly diplomacy basd campaign in a town where all they do is attend parties, diplomify nobles, etc. Thanks for suggestions.-the Rob</blockquote>