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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WarlockLord" data-source="post: 5975255" data-attributes="member: 40098">Erm...wizards don't have wings.  And we can use Eastern Philosophy on the fighter, which I would much prefer to yet another "he has weapons, but he begs the DM for plot devices to survive" fighter which the D&D fighter has been all about.  And yes, a mid-level wizard - say 11th - wizard can take on a dragon and wizard vampire.From your example, the wizard vampire doesn't seem to actually be optimized - he's casting fireball for god's sake.  But I'll stick to the noncombat way:11th level wizard.Step 1: Set up a circle -at your house, away from the wizard and vampire - and cast Planar Binding.  Get an Efreeti.Step 2:  Explain to the efreeti you need a wish, but he's still got two he can't use for himself, can we work something out?Steo 3: Cash in your wish for a candle of invocation, Lawful Evil alignment, and send the efreeti home with his cash or whatever.Step 4:Use the candle of invocation to get another Efreeti.  This efreeti has to do whatever the hell you want, so have him use 1 wish to teleport the dragon into space (see transport travelers), one wish to teleport the vampire into space, and the last for another candle of invocation.Step 5:  Repeat as many times as you want until the dragon and vampire are in space.Alternatively, you could use planar binding to get a nightmare, and have it use astral projection on you.  You then planeshift over and attack the vampire and dragon.  Rinse and repeat.You could also go grave-robbing in giant town or hydra murdering to get fun undead things.This would be a lot harder if the vampire was a competent wizard, but as it stands you have described him as using fireball, so clearly he is not.For an actual fight, we could do all kinds of stupid crap.  Like pre-buffing with assay spell resistance and shivering touching the dragon to death.  Or metamagiced ray of stupidity abuse.  Or maybe we decide to do something stupid with magic jar and force the vampire and dragon to kill each other because we're possessing one of them.  There are a lot of things the wizard can do besides "I cast fireball and do less damage than the fighter, hur dur durr," and those things are honestly pretty unbalanced.So, what's the fighter getting that competes with this stuff again?</blockquote>

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