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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5976799" data-attributes="member: 9037">You can throw in any thing you want on paper to show that omg the magic users don't need anyone else but you know what I call a big BS on that because 30 years of game play has proven to me that is not true.Again I described the encounter as it was run and you were the one who said a wizard could handle it alone. All you have proven is that if the wizard knows ahead of time exactly what is going to happen and has time to prepare for it and he is willing to make deal with evil creatures he doesn't need anyone else.I have asked you with the encounter as it was run to show me how the wizard could handle it all my himself.  Number 1 the dragon came over from behind the cairn we didn't know he was there. The vampire had improved invisibility and for awhile we thought we were dealing with an invisible dragonrider. Number 2 we were all after the same artifact and it was more important that we get it then the they got it. Number 3 we had just had an encounter with a group of lizardmen so we were not at full resources. That was our encounter now using all that you tell me how the wizard could have done it by his lonesome? Because your way makes him leave the encounter giving the dragon and the vampire time to get into the cairn and get the piece of the staff of law. On paper I can make casters do anything but in game it is totally different. Why is it people who think that the game is unbalanced because a wizard can skry and then teleport don't take into consideration that if the PCs can do so can the NPCs?So the wizard has flown up and touched the dragon and made his roll to get through the SR and he had the spell memorized  and he rolled well on his 3D6 he might habe just hurt the dragon enough  to make it fly away.Because again it is not automatic that he had all these spells ready , that he made the rolls and that while he was taking a round to cast fly the dragon and the vampire have not hit him with so much damage that he is not dead or bleeding out. And while he is pursing the dragon who is also flying which means he has to get into melee range the vampire is not jaut sitting there but doing things as well. Which is why he needs help to handle this. Again everything you come up with assumes that the DM is not using good tactics, that the dice are cooperating with the wizard. If I was the DM and a wizard my himslef decided to fight this encounter like described then I would simply have the wizard vampire hold an action until the wizard goes then either cast a counterspell or hit the wizard with so much damage that he has to roll to get his spell off. Or I would have the dragon just grapple the pesky wizard after all the wizard most likely can't win a grapple check. Or how about just bite, claw, claw the wizard after all a D4 hit die doesn't mean a lot of hit dice for the wizard. But then again maybe we play the game wrong because a dragon at any level has always been a scary thing for us even with the god like wizard with us. And even with wizards and clerics in the party we have been hard pressed to just have an easy win of it.</blockquote>

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