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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6205913" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>Amen to that. Though bear in mind that, in both 3e and 4e, there was much more 'official' adventure support than you're crediting them with: Dungeon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. The subscription model means that Paizo can safely print their monthly AP, safe in the knowledge that they'll sell enough copies to make a profit. If every one of their subscribers were to stop and instead switch to buying the same products from the webstore each month, the added risk might, by itself, be enough to kill the line.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunatetely, WotC don't have the same sort of direct-sales model in place on which to build a subscription for print products, so they probably can't go down that route. And relaunching Dungeon as a print venture is a non-starter - the magazine industry is dying, so it's a bad time to get into it.</p><p></p><p>That means that their most likely approach for providing ongoing adventure support is via eDungeon and the DDI. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, provided they really do bring the magazines back from hiatus.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suspect that Paizo found that their monthly standalone adventures were competing with their monthly adventure path adventures. Sure, some people would buy both, but a lot of people would buy only one, and so they removed the less-popular line.</p><p></p><p>They've also changed the format of the now-quarterly adventures, so that instead of being short, cheap adventures, they're much longer and more deluxe. Each covers several levels, and is probably good for some months of gaming.</p><p></p><p>My gut feeling is that WotC would be best supporting 5e with adventures as follows:</p><p></p><p>- At launch, they should produce a few standalone adventures. Ideally, there should be two distinctly different 1st level offerings available on release day, and then a few more low-level adventures over the next few months. And, ideally, they should be structured so that you can run several different 'chains' of adventures as a coherent mini-campaign.</p><p></p><p>- The majority of adventure support should be via eDungeon. Each month, they should try to provide three adventures - one low-level, one mid-level, and one high-level (though skewed towards low-level at the start of the edition). Also, each month should feature one Adventure Path adventure and two standalones, and they should have a smattering of setting-specific adventures in there (maybe four a year). Basically, that's what Paizo did with Dungeon for the last couple of years in print, and it worked extremely well. So, duplicate that.</p><p></p><p>- Finally, about once a year, they should publish a large, deluxe, super-adventure. Ideally, they could publish as a big book, with a second support product providing minis, dungeon tiles, item cards, etc for use with the adventure (but also usable as a standalone, of course). Or they could take the "Madness of Gardmore Abbey" approach, and have the adventure product incorporate both those things. Either way, ideally there should be some sort of 'hook' to the adventure that makes it difficult to present via eDungeon, and thus justify its being published as a print product.</p><p></p><p>(Of course, I haven't mentioned the need for all these products to be high quality adventures. That should go without saying. But then, WotC's record on adventure material has never been good, and that needs to change or they might as well not bother. Sadly, I can't say "Murder in Baldur's Gate" gave me much hope in that regard.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 6205913, member: 22424"] Amen to that. Though bear in mind that, in both 3e and 4e, there was much more 'official' adventure support than you're crediting them with: Dungeon. Agreed. The subscription model means that Paizo can safely print their monthly AP, safe in the knowledge that they'll sell enough copies to make a profit. If every one of their subscribers were to stop and instead switch to buying the same products from the webstore each month, the added risk might, by itself, be enough to kill the line. Unfortunatetely, WotC don't have the same sort of direct-sales model in place on which to build a subscription for print products, so they probably can't go down that route. And relaunching Dungeon as a print venture is a non-starter - the magazine industry is dying, so it's a bad time to get into it. That means that their most likely approach for providing ongoing adventure support is via eDungeon and the DDI. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, provided they really do bring the magazines back from hiatus. I suspect that Paizo found that their monthly standalone adventures were competing with their monthly adventure path adventures. Sure, some people would buy both, but a lot of people would buy only one, and so they removed the less-popular line. They've also changed the format of the now-quarterly adventures, so that instead of being short, cheap adventures, they're much longer and more deluxe. Each covers several levels, and is probably good for some months of gaming. My gut feeling is that WotC would be best supporting 5e with adventures as follows: - At launch, they should produce a few standalone adventures. Ideally, there should be two distinctly different 1st level offerings available on release day, and then a few more low-level adventures over the next few months. And, ideally, they should be structured so that you can run several different 'chains' of adventures as a coherent mini-campaign. - The majority of adventure support should be via eDungeon. Each month, they should try to provide three adventures - one low-level, one mid-level, and one high-level (though skewed towards low-level at the start of the edition). Also, each month should feature one Adventure Path adventure and two standalones, and they should have a smattering of setting-specific adventures in there (maybe four a year). Basically, that's what Paizo did with Dungeon for the last couple of years in print, and it worked extremely well. So, duplicate that. - Finally, about once a year, they should publish a large, deluxe, super-adventure. Ideally, they could publish as a big book, with a second support product providing minis, dungeon tiles, item cards, etc for use with the adventure (but also usable as a standalone, of course). Or they could take the "Madness of Gardmore Abbey" approach, and have the adventure product incorporate both those things. Either way, ideally there should be some sort of 'hook' to the adventure that makes it difficult to present via eDungeon, and thus justify its being published as a print product. (Of course, I haven't mentioned the need for all these products to be high quality adventures. That should go without saying. But then, WotC's record on adventure material has never been good, and that needs to change or they might as well not bother. Sadly, I can't say "Murder in Baldur's Gate" gave me much hope in that regard.) [/QUOTE]
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