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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 5063144" data-attributes="member: 23619">These are all issues that are covered in the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook. You made a previous claim that the DMG seemed arbitrary and a lot of 'hand waving' was done, yet I pointed out more than one instance where that book had answers or guidance that you were lacking. The same holds true here. I don't really see where you're getting that the prices in the SBG are arbitrary. They definitely seemed to be based logically on some formula though like magic items in the DMG there are some price discrepancies here and there that could be attributed to lackluster editing. Same thing with your 'handwaving' accusation which isn't really a fair complaint. Its not up to the writers to cover ALL possible applications of their rules. They just provide the rules and in a clear enough manner for the DM to apply them to what he wants to do. The only issue that might not be covered in the SBG is the 'floating island' one. But that is largely a moot point. PCs don't create floating islands. Travel to them, maybe. Figure out how to crash or sink one, possibly. Make them, nope. They don't get enough wealth or resources to do that. Epic characters...maybe, but that is a process that would largely be (to use your own term) handwaved into existence because the process to create a floating island would largely be a one time, one shot thing. Unless your players are just rolling in enough cash and real estate to attempt to create airborne island after airborne island.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 5063144, member: 23619"] These are all issues that are covered in the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook. You made a previous claim that the DMG seemed arbitrary and a lot of 'hand waving' was done, yet I pointed out more than one instance where that book had answers or guidance that you were lacking. The same holds true here. I don't really see where you're getting that the prices in the SBG are arbitrary. They definitely seemed to be based logically on some formula though like magic items in the DMG there are some price discrepancies here and there that could be attributed to lackluster editing. Same thing with your 'handwaving' accusation which isn't really a fair complaint. Its not up to the writers to cover ALL possible applications of their rules. They just provide the rules and in a clear enough manner for the DM to apply them to what he wants to do. The only issue that might not be covered in the SBG is the 'floating island' one. But that is largely a moot point. PCs don't create floating islands. Travel to them, maybe. Figure out how to crash or sink one, possibly. Make them, nope. They don't get enough wealth or resources to do that. Epic characters...maybe, but that is a process that would largely be (to use your own term) handwaved into existence because the process to create a floating island would largely be a one time, one shot thing. Unless your players are just rolling in enough cash and real estate to attempt to create airborne island after airborne island. [/QUOTE]

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