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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7641824" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>I also find that Garl Glittergold is a silly name, and I will admit that is also a hurdle for me to overcome when it pertains to including him, but there are some more substantial hurdles as well. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> </p><p></p><p>Some overlap is fine, but too much and then things become suffocating. Right now there is already a healthy handful of available trickery gods already and what gnomes are known for is covered by other deities. </p><p></p><p>Sehanine is the Dawn War deity of trickery and illusion, which are the gnomes' two big things right there. Corellon and Avandra are also both trickster deities. There is also a "dead" trickster god in 4e lore - <a href="https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Laeris" target="_blank">Laeris</a> - who was a god of trickery and deceit before being killed by Vecna. Avandra is also the goddess of travel, and I already see Ioun as the goddess of "deep lore." Corellon, Sehanine, and Ioun are deities of magic. </p><p></p><p>Everywhere I look, Garl is fighting for cramp space on all sides. I looked through 4e Nentir Vale lore. Garl Glittergold doesn't get a mention anywhere. Nor could I find any mention of gnomes having a favored deity in 4e lore. </p><p></p><p>Gnomes in 4e are fey creatures of the Feywild, and that would suggest Corellon as their patron. Garl Glittergold could be a child of Corellon and Sehanine, a minor fey god born from Corellon's magic and Sehanine's penchant for trickery and illusions. Then he would basically just be Pan or Puck. And this would again relegate him to a minor role because the problem of finding a niche still exists. (Something of a persistent problem with gnomes throughout editions.) </p><p></p><p>Overall, even with your suggestions, I don't think that Garl Glittergold has much of a potential place in the Dawn War pantheon. I don't want to find a role for a deity just to make a role for them. It's also not my responsibility to include every racial deity into this pantheon. One big reason for that is because deities aren't strictly tied to species. Barbarian tribes of humans, orcs, hill dwarves, or stout halflings may say prayers to Gruumsh. Wood elves may not feel that close to Corellon, possibly holding Melora and Sehanine in higher regard. </p><p></p><p>Because adding too many superfluous deities defeats one of the major strengths of using the Dawn War pantheon. I already feel guilty for adding two (e.g., Astara, Kerun), which I justify by the fact that I combined Lloth and the Raven Queen and then dumped Vecna's divinity. I added Pholtus and Lendor, but they are both dead deities, with Pholtus simply being the name of "He Who Was," and Lendor as the father of Ioun and Tharizdun. </p><p></p><p>I appreciate the endorsement, but if I flesh it out, then I would post it here for free.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7641824, member: 5142"] I also find that Garl Glittergold is a silly name, and I will admit that is also a hurdle for me to overcome when it pertains to including him, but there are some more substantial hurdles as well. :( Some overlap is fine, but too much and then things become suffocating. Right now there is already a healthy handful of available trickery gods already and what gnomes are known for is covered by other deities. Sehanine is the Dawn War deity of trickery and illusion, which are the gnomes' two big things right there. Corellon and Avandra are also both trickster deities. There is also a "dead" trickster god in 4e lore - [URL="https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Laeris"]Laeris[/URL] - who was a god of trickery and deceit before being killed by Vecna. Avandra is also the goddess of travel, and I already see Ioun as the goddess of "deep lore." Corellon, Sehanine, and Ioun are deities of magic. Everywhere I look, Garl is fighting for cramp space on all sides. I looked through 4e Nentir Vale lore. Garl Glittergold doesn't get a mention anywhere. Nor could I find any mention of gnomes having a favored deity in 4e lore. Gnomes in 4e are fey creatures of the Feywild, and that would suggest Corellon as their patron. Garl Glittergold could be a child of Corellon and Sehanine, a minor fey god born from Corellon's magic and Sehanine's penchant for trickery and illusions. Then he would basically just be Pan or Puck. And this would again relegate him to a minor role because the problem of finding a niche still exists. (Something of a persistent problem with gnomes throughout editions.) Overall, even with your suggestions, I don't think that Garl Glittergold has much of a potential place in the Dawn War pantheon. I don't want to find a role for a deity just to make a role for them. It's also not my responsibility to include every racial deity into this pantheon. One big reason for that is because deities aren't strictly tied to species. Barbarian tribes of humans, orcs, hill dwarves, or stout halflings may say prayers to Gruumsh. Wood elves may not feel that close to Corellon, possibly holding Melora and Sehanine in higher regard. Because adding too many superfluous deities defeats one of the major strengths of using the Dawn War pantheon. I already feel guilty for adding two (e.g., Astara, Kerun), which I justify by the fact that I combined Lloth and the Raven Queen and then dumped Vecna's divinity. I added Pholtus and Lendor, but they are both dead deities, with Pholtus simply being the name of "He Who Was," and Lendor as the father of Ioun and Tharizdun. I appreciate the endorsement, but if I flesh it out, then I would post it here for free. [/QUOTE]
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