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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7475522" data-attributes="member: 23751">I can't think of virtually any games like you describe.&nbsp; Almost without exception, games including RPGs use three levels.&nbsp; Rules ---&gt;game setup ---&gt; play the game.&nbsp; RPGs, chess, checkers, Candyland, Chutes and Ladders, Monopoly, and so on.&nbsp; They all have the game setup stage.&nbsp; Hell, you can't even play Tic Tac Toe with just the rules.&nbsp; You have to take a second or two to draw the 4 lines as part of game setup.&nbsp; RPGs just have one that is longer than most.I should hope so. If the rules don't clearly tell you how to set up the game before you start playing, it's badly designed.As I said above, the difference is only that an RPG has a longer setup than the other games.&nbsp; That's it.&nbsp; There are lots of board games where you will rarely, if ever, play the same game twice.&nbsp; Board game play doesn't involve the variety of different moves that players in an RPG can make, though.&nbsp; However, the three levels are the same for virtually all games.&nbsp; But you are are required to get out a pack of cards, shuffle them, and allow someone else to cut the deck as part of the second level.&nbsp; THEN you can play the game.If by do not have, you mean have, then you are correct.&nbsp; RPGs just have one that is longer to enact and has more variety.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7475522, member: 23751"] I can't think of virtually any games like you describe. Almost without exception, games including RPGs use three levels. Rules --->game setup ---> play the game. RPGs, chess, checkers, Candyland, Chutes and Ladders, Monopoly, and so on. They all have the game setup stage. Hell, you can't even play Tic Tac Toe with just the rules. You have to take a second or two to draw the 4 lines as part of game setup. RPGs just have one that is longer than most. I should hope so. If the rules don't clearly tell you how to set up the game before you start playing, it's badly designed. As I said above, the difference is only that an RPG has a longer setup than the other games. That's it. There are lots of board games where you will rarely, if ever, play the same game twice. Board game play doesn't involve the variety of different moves that players in an RPG can make, though. However, the three levels are the same for virtually all games. But you are are required to get out a pack of cards, shuffle them, and allow someone else to cut the deck as part of the second level. THEN you can play the game. If by do not have, you mean have, then you are correct. RPGs just have one that is longer to enact and has more variety. [/QUOTE]

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