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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7485482" data-attributes="member: 16814">As a few people have told you before, you're analyzing from a very narrow view of RPGs.&nbsp; The scene you provide above is plenty sufficient fir a no-myth game.&nbsp; Play will go immediately from the scene frame of a market in Hardby to the players declaring actions according to thier desires and goals.Frex:PLAYER 1:&nbsp; I go to the fish vendor's stall and buy some salmon so I can salt it for travel.&nbsp; I am &quot;always prepared&quot; after all.HM: Good.&nbsp; Let's kick this off.&nbsp; Roll your (game appropriate skill).&nbsp; PLAYER: um, crud, I failed.GM: okay, let's see.&nbsp; The fish stall is closed, and you overhear someone say that the fisherman has been missing a few days.In this example, the player uses his traits defined during character creation to motivate his play.&nbsp; He invents a fish stall in the market to play on, and tries to buy fish.&nbsp; The GM decides to challenge this action and calls for a roll.&nbsp; When the player fails, the GM narrates how his action fails, but then uses that failure to offer a new twist:&nbsp; the fisherman is missing.&nbsp; Why he is missing will get established in play, as the players declare actions and succeed or not.&nbsp; Frex, the next bit of play could involve a PC with a background as a river pirate announcing that it's common for pirates to kidnap for ransom (now established fact in game) and declare he's looking for a ransom demand.&nbsp; Success makes this true, failure means that's not the case; it's something else.&nbsp; In ganes with partial successes, it would be true but with a complication -- perhaps the ex-pirate discovers it's his old crew that he was tossed from on pain of death doing the kidnapping?The point is, if you are looking only from a prepared scenario/story mode of play, where the players have no authorial control over the plot, you're going to have a very narrow view of play and make incorrect assumptions.&nbsp; What you provide above is plenty sufficient for play for a number of systems.&nbsp; This view is also why your analysis doesn't work (also why you keep becoming frustrated with me, [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION], and [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION]).&nbsp; Lots of games develop pretty much everything in play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7485482, member: 16814"] As a few people have told you before, you're analyzing from a very narrow view of RPGs. The scene you provide above is plenty sufficient fir a no-myth game. Play will go immediately from the scene frame of a market in Hardby to the players declaring actions according to thier desires and goals. Frex: PLAYER 1: I go to the fish vendor's stall and buy some salmon so I can salt it for travel. I am "always prepared" after all. HM: Good. Let's kick this off. Roll your (game appropriate skill). PLAYER: um, crud, I failed. GM: okay, let's see. The fish stall is closed, and you overhear someone say that the fisherman has been missing a few days. In this example, the player uses his traits defined during character creation to motivate his play. He invents a fish stall in the market to play on, and tries to buy fish. The GM decides to challenge this action and calls for a roll. When the player fails, the GM narrates how his action fails, but then uses that failure to offer a new twist: the fisherman is missing. Why he is missing will get established in play, as the players declare actions and succeed or not. Frex, the next bit of play could involve a PC with a background as a river pirate announcing that it's common for pirates to kidnap for ransom (now established fact in game) and declare he's looking for a ransom demand. Success makes this true, failure means that's not the case; it's something else. In ganes with partial successes, it would be true but with a complication -- perhaps the ex-pirate discovers it's his old crew that he was tossed from on pain of death doing the kidnapping? The point is, if you are looking only from a prepared scenario/story mode of play, where the players have no authorial control over the plot, you're going to have a very narrow view of play and make incorrect assumptions. What you provide above is plenty sufficient for play for a number of systems. This view is also why your analysis doesn't work (also why you keep becoming frustrated with me, [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION], and [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION]). Lots of games develop pretty much everything in play. [/QUOTE]

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