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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FadedC" data-source="post: 4149096" data-attributes="member: 55463">I have actually seen incredibly effective paladins in Living Greyhawk who had insanely high charisma and low strength. However this requires a lot of feats and planning to make work, and is incredibly weak at low levels. But at high level it could be insanely good, particularly with a level of marshal.I expect we will see a lot of 18's in primary stats just because it's so easy to get a +2 racial bonus. I'm sure we will see some 20's too but I'd expect them to be less common. Most people will want 3 decent stats for their saves to be based on, while you probably won't want to use con as a dump stat. Strength based classes actually have it a bit tougher because they need str and con, and thus need 4 stats.</blockquote>