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<blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4149256" data-attributes="member: 1054"><p>I can see an argument for parity in 'number of vital stats'. My poor Paladin has passed to his final reward (CR 4 encounter my ass!), but he was educational -- he needed Str, Con, Wis, and Cha, and even with a high point based build, was lacking in several areas (being a half ogre didn't help). If all classes had three 'important' stats, it would at least be fair, and it would be hard to have three pure 'dump' stats.</p><p></p><p>I'm very interested in seeing how Int isn't the Universal Dump Stat in 4e, the way Cha was in...well...every other edition of the game. Since it doesn't seem to add skill points or skill picks (ala SWSE), what's it good for, for non-wizards? Does anyone know if it has a 'general purpose' use? Or will the Cha/Diplomacy monkey of 3e be replace by the Int/Knowledge monkey of 4e, that is, the one guy with it pumped to the max and the rest of the party lacking it?</p><p></p><p>(And in so many games of 3x I'm in, the low charisma *character* is run by the high charisma *player*, so ends up being the party leader because he roleplays his diplomacy better than the guy with the better actual high *roll*. I don't see 4e solving this -- I don't see ANY game solving this, it's not a knock on 4e, just an observation of gamer dynamics..)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lizard, post: 4149256, member: 1054"] I can see an argument for parity in 'number of vital stats'. My poor Paladin has passed to his final reward (CR 4 encounter my ass!), but he was educational -- he needed Str, Con, Wis, and Cha, and even with a high point based build, was lacking in several areas (being a half ogre didn't help). If all classes had three 'important' stats, it would at least be fair, and it would be hard to have three pure 'dump' stats. I'm very interested in seeing how Int isn't the Universal Dump Stat in 4e, the way Cha was in...well...every other edition of the game. Since it doesn't seem to add skill points or skill picks (ala SWSE), what's it good for, for non-wizards? Does anyone know if it has a 'general purpose' use? Or will the Cha/Diplomacy monkey of 3e be replace by the Int/Knowledge monkey of 4e, that is, the one guy with it pumped to the max and the rest of the party lacking it? (And in so many games of 3x I'm in, the low charisma *character* is run by the high charisma *player*, so ends up being the party leader because he roleplays his diplomacy better than the guy with the better actual high *roll*. I don't see 4e solving this -- I don't see ANY game solving this, it's not a knock on 4e, just an observation of gamer dynamics..) [/QUOTE]
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