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<blockquote data-quote="Lo-Kag" data-source="post: 5599517" data-attributes="member: 6668831">So in a new 4th ED game I started last night a made a Half-Orc Fighter brawler style. I really enjoyed playing him because of the sheer versatility of him.In the middle of one particular encounter I was unable to reach an enemy to mark him. My fighter picked up a rcok, threw it, and hit the skeleton. The character sheet says that I would deal 1d4 + Dex mod damage on a hit. Another player said that I wouldn't deal my Dex mod damage because a rock doesn't have the &quot;Light Thrown&quot; property.Later on I looked in my Rules Compendium to look up the specific rules for both ranged attacks and the use of improvised weapons.I sent the entire party an email quoting the exact pages that are very specific on these rules. I was in the right that I would have dealt 1d4 + dex mod for the damage.Then he sends me an email:&quot;&quot;As per the definition of &quot;cheese&quot; this is exactly case in point&nbsp; reinforcing what I said. Cheese happens when someone tries to&nbsp; &quot;Brian-ize&quot; the rules in such a way that they gain a huge benefit at the&nbsp; cost of the campaign which the DM has spent a great deal of time and&nbsp; preparation on. I think maybe we can coin that phrase &quot;Adam-izing&quot; it&nbsp; now too.Being able to deal as much damage by throwing a rock as you would if you&nbsp; had hit them with a battleaxe flies in the face of the suspension of&nbsp; disbelief that Dungeons &amp; Dragons is. Trying to get away with&nbsp; something silly because the book doesn't say you can't is offensive to&nbsp; me as a DM.&quot;&quot;Am I in the wrong here? The Brawler is made to be able to throw things and be fairly effective at doing some damage. A Ranger would be able to do even more damage, but it's the same principle.They wrote a rulebook and I might as well follow it. So, to the other DMs who read this:What do you think?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lo-Kag, post: 5599517, member: 6668831"] So in a new 4th ED game I started last night a made a Half-Orc Fighter brawler style. I really enjoyed playing him because of the sheer versatility of him. In the middle of one particular encounter I was unable to reach an enemy to mark him. My fighter picked up a rcok, threw it, and hit the skeleton. The character sheet says that I would deal 1d4 + Dex mod damage on a hit. Another player said that I wouldn't deal my Dex mod damage because a rock doesn't have the "Light Thrown" property. Later on I looked in my Rules Compendium to look up the specific rules for both ranged attacks and the use of improvised weapons. I sent the entire party an email quoting the exact pages that are very specific on these rules. I was in the right that I would have dealt 1d4 + dex mod for the damage. Then he sends me an email: ""As per the definition of "cheese" this is exactly case in point reinforcing what I said. Cheese happens when someone tries to "Brian-ize" the rules in such a way that they gain a huge benefit at the cost of the campaign which the DM has spent a great deal of time and preparation on. I think maybe we can coin that phrase "Adam-izing" it now too. Being able to deal as much damage by throwing a rock as you would if you had hit them with a battleaxe flies in the face of the suspension of disbelief that Dungeons & Dragons is. Trying to get away with something silly because the book doesn't say you can't is offensive to me as a DM."" Am I in the wrong here? The Brawler is made to be able to throw things and be fairly effective at doing some damage. A Ranger would be able to do even more damage, but it's the same principle. They wrote a rulebook and I might as well follow it. So, to the other DMs who read this: What do you think? [/QUOTE]

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