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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5600205" data-attributes="member: 87792">I'm trying to recall when I've seen something more wrong on the subject of DMing and 4e than the fellow DM listed.&nbsp; [Edit: I take it back.&nbsp; There's always Dark Dungeons and FATAL.]&nbsp; I think there's something completely and monumentally wrong on one line in two, and as such the e-mail best serves as a warning to others.&nbsp;&nbsp;You were expecting a rock to be a dagger? False. You were expecting to do something with a rock. But there's about the difference in level of effectiveness between a rock and a dagger as between a dagger and a greatsword (seriously, +3 to hit is a lot - next time carry throwing daggers or javelins).&nbsp;&nbsp;So you should have done nothing and just sat still and waited rather than tried to help your party out. Oh, wait. That would be silly. Doing what you can to get the bad guys when in combat is, what's the word? Ah, yes. Practical.&nbsp;&nbsp;Correction. He went and did something that the rules say you can do. Explicitely. And give stats for - and make a poor option.&nbsp;&nbsp;No it isn't in any gaming group I've ever been in. Cheese is choosing ridiculously overpowered options. Not underpowered improvisations.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm very glad I'm not in your gaming group. I like improvising and I love it when I'm DMing and my players do something unexpected.&nbsp;&nbsp;And now I'm very glad I'm not in your gaming group. DMs who are focussed on the story they want to tell and want the PCs to not interfere with it are terrible DMs.&nbsp;&nbsp;Who's this &quot;We&quot;? Because most of us who know the rules know that you can - it just isn't very effective (it doesn't get a proficiency bonus to hit).&nbsp;&nbsp;The rules say you can.&nbsp;&nbsp;You keep using that word. I do not think it meanswhat you think it means.&nbsp;&nbsp;And as a DM, I feel insulted by the pile of twaddle there.&nbsp;&nbsp;Just a word of warning. &quot;I'm only playing my character&quot; is a red-flag defence. It's normally used by jackasses to defend robbing the rest of the party and other such antisocial behaviour. That wasn't what happened here but it's not a good defence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5600205, member: 87792"] I'm trying to recall when I've seen something more wrong on the subject of DMing and 4e than the fellow DM listed. [Edit: I take it back. There's always Dark Dungeons and FATAL.] I think there's something completely and monumentally wrong on one line in two, and as such the e-mail best serves as a warning to others. You were expecting a rock to be a dagger? False. You were expecting to do something with a rock. But there's about the difference in level of effectiveness between a rock and a dagger as between a dagger and a greatsword (seriously, +3 to hit is a lot - next time carry throwing daggers or javelins). So you should have done nothing and just sat still and waited rather than tried to help your party out. Oh, wait. That would be silly. Doing what you can to get the bad guys when in combat is, what's the word? Ah, yes. Practical. Correction. He went and did something that the rules say you [I]can[/I] do. Explicitely. And give stats for - and make a poor option. No it isn't in any gaming group I've ever been in. Cheese is choosing ridiculously overpowered options. Not underpowered improvisations. I'm very glad I'm not [I]in[/I] your gaming group. I like improvising and I love it when I'm DMing and my players do something unexpected. And now I'm [I]very[/I] glad I'm not in your gaming group. DMs who are focussed on the story they want to tell and want the PCs to not interfere with it are [I]terrible[/I] DMs. Who's this "We"? Because most of us who know the rules know that you can - it just isn't very effective (it doesn't get a proficiency bonus to hit). The rules say you [I]can[/I]. You keep using that word. I do not think it meanswhat you think it means. And as a DM, [I]I[/I] feel insulted by the pile of twaddle there. Just a word of warning. "I'm only playing my character" is a red-flag defence. It's normally used by jackasses to defend robbing the rest of the party and other such antisocial behaviour. That wasn't what happened here but it's not a good defence. [/QUOTE]

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