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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1630419" data-attributes="member: 151">Just got it.  Thanks for that.  Fixed it.  Not really sure how I got it back to the cyberstreet version, so I'm glad you mentioned it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />   Wise words, all.  Case in point: we reached a new plateau in a recent session: the party cleric was in a pocket dimension called 'the library', created by the mage's guild.  He was working on a magic item for the party's use, when some of the party fell under attack, about a quarter mile away.  He used a Gate spell to instantly arrive on the scene.  The party was alternately horrified and amused at such a turn of events.  "Wait...did you just use a 9th level spell to save yourself a two rounds of travel?!?"  Said the player, with a smirk: "Yup."  High level play is different from low level play, but can be equally fun.  As surmised above, B-S-T stands for Buff-Scry-Teleport.  Yes, the Scry spell can take an hour...lower level parties actually do Scry-Buff-Teleport, instead....unless they have a crystal ball, but at 42,000 gp, not likely at mid-levels.  With Scry lasting 1 minute/level, they can watch their targets, make sandwiches, get a drink, go to the bathroom and THEN teleport and attack.  Besides which, S-B-T doesn't sound as good. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />  My players clawed their way up from 1st level under 3e, and now run full bore under 3.5.  I can assure you that the game can function just fine without needlessly limiting spells like Teleport.  BardStephenFox is spot on as far as challenges are concerned: the CR system is wonky at higher levels and should be taken with a greater grain of salt...and combats tend to be less frequent, and thus should be more challenging as PCs will be more desirous of using their resources.  Witness the use of the Gate spell, above. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  I also want to echo what HC said.  Some of the most satisfying battles that have happened in our high-level game have occured as part of a carefully orchestrated tactical strike.  They almost never work as planned (which is part of the fun, IMHO), but when they succeed, the succeed admirably.  Taking the fight to the enemy is part of high-level play, and it's a GOOD part of high-level play.  Consider examples in Piratecat's Story Hour, mine and Sepulchrave (where the phrase 'Scry and Fry' originated). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Piratecat puts it best.  He doesn't design an adventure to thwart high-level powers, but to require them.  Players have Teleport?  Great.  Force them to use it.  But how many do they get in a day?  How many can they afford to memorize, and what needs to be sacrificed to do so?  Will the party become dependent on the Wizard having six teleports memorized daily?  What happens if he doesn't?  What happens if he falls in combat?  Destan's group recently found out the hard way, when the party sorcreror teleported half the group, and then got attacked at the drop-zone, effectively cutting the party in half, as he was the lynchpin for the teleport spell.  One lesson I learned about high-level play: don't sweat the details.  Players are smart...devious, even.  Make a difficult challenge, and let them use their ingenuity to work it out.  Find the weaknesses of many spells, and use them.  Teleport has a relatively finite range, for example, both in weight and distance.  Enforce it.  Plane Shift rarely takes a group to their intended desitination: in fact, as often as not, a plane shift is usually followed by another transport spell to reach the intended destination (be it Windwalk, Teleport, or what have you).      Heh.  That would be Guildmaster Scorch, now.  Or, as we like to call him "LAWGIVER Scorch".  Hard to believe the same wizard who was ecstatic when he mastered the fireball spell so long ago is now rebuilding the guild as it's new guildmaster (although little of those details make the story hour, regrettably).  Who knew empire building could be so much fun. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  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