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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GQuail" data-source="post: 2697848" data-attributes="member: 30709">Just wanted to add that, this session, this session, the PCs found out the father of the six/fifteen year old Orc was wearing a necklace showing a red bestial head with a single balck horn.  First of all one said "Venger", but after one remembered the look of fthe face seen before by the ressurected villain they seemed to ignore that idea and ofcused on another, especially when "The King Outside" (a phrase regularly used by Vhengher in his rambles as a title for himself) was said to be the name of the god on the symbol.They briefly got one Orc explaining it was something like "two dimensional b eings would be ruled over by us, like gods rule over us, so logically there's ever increasing circles of beings above us who exist outside our space.  What does the final form look like?"  Deep for Orcs, I know, but it had been pasted into their belief system by Vhengher for his own gain, plus it lets the word "outside"'s connotations slowly dawn on the players: when I said "The King Outside" there were several curse words around the table.  :>Anyway, just wanted to qualfy that the PC's know SOMETHING is up but not what for those who would help me plot their downf... erm, future sessions.  ;-)  Also, I wanted to add that one of the symptoms of Vhenghers power I had in mind was dropping things obviously from other campaign worlds/game systems/stories/etc into play, as he goes "outside the game".  For example, I used template sto make a Transforming Mithril Construct, (hello, Blurr from Transformers!) a ten-headed Rakshasa (hello, Ravana from Hinduism!) and a Eye King Mind Flayer (hello, Metroid from the Metroid games!) which, though too high level from them now, could be viable encounters in the future.  I was going to maybe drop one or two in sort of randomly, and then I could maybe have almost a "plague" of these things appear, as Vhengher further cracks the fiction's boundary.Looking on WotC's website, they had a "Time Wight" undead which I thought might be good to propogate this idea: advance it a few HD, give it Evolved from Libris Mortis or similar to make a more potent, "Universe Lost Undead" to represent the fallout of universe collapse.I know this is (1) poncy, (2) complex and (3) wbeing written from somone with a single digit post figure, but advice is appreciated.   :></blockquote>

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