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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7315698" data-attributes="member: 6919838">it was an AP and the jaw dropper was that that statement followed a very good section on &quot;if they found out this from that interaction then...&quot; which listed several cases of using info gained along the way and adjusting their ambush encounter ranges, spottting difficulties etc with the knowledge gained in these prior/optional encounters and a baseline presumption of competence.Literally, if they had been told of the group setting up the ambush and had been told likely spots they tend to use, they would get an EASY check at long range to spot the ambush. if they were clueless, they would get a HARD check at much much closer range (within combat range.) This was an assumed granted benefit from having the knowledge, assumed characters used that info.But if the player stated &quot;looking for ambush&quot; they got advantage on those rolls... So the rules setup the case that &quot;we know there is an ambush force. we know several places we expect them to be. because of this we will be able to get closer before we get noticed.&quot; but allows that maybe the characters are not &quot;looking for an ambush&quot; unless the players state it to gain an advantage???it was a jarring disconnect and to me a clash of editions and approaches - one assumes character competence and the other more of a &quot;say you look up&quot; gotcha sort of thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7315698, member: 6919838"] it was an AP and the jaw dropper was that that statement followed a very good section on "if they found out this from that interaction then..." which listed several cases of using info gained along the way and adjusting their ambush encounter ranges, spottting difficulties etc with the knowledge gained in these prior/optional encounters and a baseline presumption of competence. Literally, if they had been told of the group setting up the ambush and had been told likely spots they tend to use, they would get an EASY check at long range to spot the ambush. if they were clueless, they would get a HARD check at much much closer range (within combat range.) This was an assumed granted benefit from having the knowledge, assumed characters used that info. But if the player stated "looking for ambush" they got advantage on those rolls... So the rules setup the case that "we know there is an ambush force. we know several places we expect them to be. because of this we will be able to get closer before we get noticed." but allows that maybe the characters are not "looking for an ambush" unless the players state it to gain an advantage??? it was a jarring disconnect and to me a clash of editions and approaches - one assumes character competence and the other more of a "say you look up" gotcha sort of thing. [/QUOTE]

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